Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Feces wine


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. -- Ed (Edgar181) 18:18, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Feces wine
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The article has been recently modified, after first being nominated for deletion in 2014. Meanwhile, no verifiable sources have been added, and new text is coming into the article. There is nothing that should prevent another review for deletion of a poor-quality, poorly sourced article on a topic with dubious distasteful value. Zefr (talk) 14:47, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science-related deletion discussions. –  TheGridExe  ( talk )  15:21, 17 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Neutral. I'm dubious. But I'll admit that language barrier and source access limitations are obstacles here, so I'm not quite willing to commit to retention or deletion (but I'll admit that I lean delete here). That said, the sourcing is... not very good. First, I'll note that there are only six sources to evaluation. References 7-14 (the entire origin section) provides vaguely related topics, which you may view as either appropriate background or a WP:COATRACK depending on your opinion for such things. References 2 and 3 are broken for me, including the Internet Archive link for ref 3. Reference 4 is a Korean book I'm only able to access in snippet view, but from what I can see, the content is a trivial mention at best. Reference 6 is a passing mention only. That means, largely, the notability of this topic comes down to two popular media sources: VICE Japan (Ref 1) and Sora News 24 (Ref 5, formerly Rocket News 24). Most other online sources that address this topic refer back to one of those sources. The two articles have a lot of similarities. Both consist of a Japanese popular media outlet trying to prove the existence of Korean "feces wine", admitting they were rebuffed for some period of time, then finally locating a single person with uncertain credentials who is able to supply them with the sought-after substance; neither is written in a tone suggestive of serious journalism. In the case of the VICE article, that contact is a Chinese man who, based on my reading, is an instructor of traditional Chinese medicine, with no further credentials given. The Sora News story has even less of the semblance of reliable reporting; the news crew is able to find an anonymous supplier (at least he's Korean...) who sells them, in a back-alley cash transaction, what he purports to be ttongsul, bottled in re-used commercial soju bottles! Furthermore, whatever the two news crews received clearly wasn't at all the same thing. In any case, I have a difficult time not viewing the two articles as something of an ethnic joke given the cover of reportage. Fundamentally, I think the outcome of this AFD comes down to whether the project is willing to accept those terrible sources as "reliable" enough for our purposes, absent some better coverage in the links I couldn't access or sources not currently provided. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 18:27, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:TNT. The sources seem to primarily be attempts to disparage Koreans, and none of them arte particularly credible. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 04:55, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete: The introduction is of the article is just about a Vice report. The remaining sources do not clearly show that the topic is notable. The Origin information is quite general and not really on topic. It also should be noted that Ttongsul in Korean is at least today, a slang term for a type of meth. --Christian140 (talk) 15:12, 22 May 2018 (UTC)


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