Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Federation of Autonomous Priories of the Sovereign Order of Saint John of Jerusalem, Knights of Malta (KMFAP)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Jayjg (talk) 04:08, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Federation of Autonomous Priories of the Sovereign Order of Saint John of Jerusalem, Knights of Malta (KMFAP)

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 * Delete. Completely unreferenced article about one of numerous self-styled "Orders of St. John" claiming to be the legitimate successor of the Knights Hospitaller. Google hits turn up very little other than self-published promotional materials. Historical information copied from other articles. No indication whatsoever of notability, and much more likely to be a hoax. R'n'B (call me Russ) 16:56, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I anticipate that, in response to the above comment, the author of the article is likely to come forward with a link to establish that this organization really does exist; that is, it is registered with the New York Secretary of State as a corporation. I don't doubt that that is true; anyone at all can form a corporation and I assume that this one really does exist. The hoax, if there is one, is in claiming succession from the historical Knights of St. John. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 19:52, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete fails the usual test of these types of hoaxy-looking articles, namely that if they do such notable stuff and have hundreds of years of history and all that, then there should be plenty of reliable sources. There (obviously) aren't.  Potential voters trying to find sources should take great care not to confuse this with Knights Hospitaller or other genuine organisations with similar-sounding names. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  18:22, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Dear stuff of wikipedia

I don`t know if I should write here or in the discussion article. You can find here the historic synopsis relating to our Federation: http://kmfap.com/index.php?topic_id=9. Further I will contact my collegs to resolve this issue.

Mutch people confuse this order with the SMOM, if you look well ther are two big order the SMOM and KMFAP You can find many articles related with this order, just one picked out from google: http://www.orthocuban.com/2009/04/knights-of-st-john-hospitaller/ Thats because many people can`t make the deference between the two orders.

By its nature and historical origins, the Federation is a Hospitaller Order of Chivalry with humanitarian vocation, entitled to all rights of Sovereignty and it results from the Association, as a Federated State, of historical and lawful Autonomous Priories and Hereditary Commanderies of the old Sovereign Order of Saint John of Jerusalem, also said of the Knights of Malta, inheriting in this manner all the historical past, rights and privileges of this Old Order. The federative act of the Autonomous Priories of the Sovereign Order of Saint John of Jerusalem, Knights of Malta, that took place in New York one hundred years ago, between 1909 and 1910, constitutes a Sovereign Order of Knighthood, independent and distinct from any other branches claiming the same common origins but not subject to this Federation.

In accordance with its Constitutional Letter the Federation is an elective monarchy, governed by a Grand Master, elected for life - to whom is recognized the rank of Prince - as its Head of State and supreme leader.

Internationally the Federation is a juridical person, subject to International Law, enjoying, in its quality of Sovereignty, the inalienable and inviolable rights, and the consuetudinary prerogatives and privileges granted traditionally to the Sovereign Order of Saint John of Jerusalem, recognized as a Sovereign State by the six great European powers, at the time, in the Treaty of Amiens on the 27th of March, 1802 and later by several legal court sentences of different countries, as well as by those obtained by its own merits and corroborated by the formal recognition of many States with whom the Federation keeps full Diplomatic Relations, at Ambassadorial level, in accordance with the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations.

Domestically, in the U.S.A., at the City and State of New York, where its Grand Magisterial See resides, it exists also as a registered not-for-profit corporation. The high spiritual values of chivalry, the deeds and virtues of the forefathers of the Order and those of its actual selected group of Knights and Dames in more than 60 different countries, have contributed to the international respect and admiration that the Sovereign Order enjoys in present times. Thank you for you time and help. Best regards Gall T. Barna (talk) 22:25, 17 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete As per the nominator. Warrah (talk) 22:38, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is pretty obviously a non-notable organization. No independent discussion or mention is provided, and what I can find is this, which provides no discussion of the subject, and this, which are self-published books (if that's even what they are). The article is a strange kind of semi-religious puffery that can barely claim encyclopedic notability in its very style. Drmies (talk) 23:19, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
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