Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Federation of Liberal Democrats


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. "Presuming" that references exist does not equal providing them. Stifle (talk) 16:01, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Federation of Liberal Democrats

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Unknown party, the page is totally devoid of sources and even on the web it is practically impossible to find sources about this party. It participated in just one election, the 2005 Lombard regional election, scoring only 0.26% of the vote. Except for the disappointing result in this regional election, there is practically nothing else to add about this party. Scia Della Cometa (talk) 20:17, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations, Politics,  and Italy. Shellwood (talk) 20:39, 12 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep. Having participated in Milan municipal elections and having obatined 0.3% of the vote in a regional election in Lombardy, a region with about 10 million people, makes the subject encyclopedic. The Federation of Liberal Democrats was active for about five years, was an associate party of Italy of Values, a founding member of the Citizens' Political Movement and re-established right after. It is clearly better to have a stand-alone article, instead of having all the infos about this party divided in different articles or, worse, losing them. We should improve articles, not delete them. Every little piece of political history deserves a space in Wikipedia and, even though also established and traditional encyclopedias also have small entries, the greatness of Wikipedia is precisely having articles for little-known subjects. The passing of time makes difficult to find more sources and information in the web, but we should avoid recentism and give space also to former minor political parties. --Checco (talk) 16:00, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * It does not appear that he participated in the municipal elections of Milan, but only in the regional elections in Lombardy, collecting only 0.3% of the votes (the only trace it has left of itself). The very little information on this page are not verified by any source. De facto, the relevance of this party seems completely non-existent.--Scia Della Cometa (talk) 21:26, 14 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete. I see only one relevant Google Books hit. The only link provided in the page is the "official website" and is broken (unregistered domain). Yakme (talk) 10:01, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. The topic of a minor political party appears to be notable and it is presumed that references exist. Bookworm857158367 (talk) 13:35, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  —&#8288;Scotty Wong &#8288;— 13:56, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Further comment. I believe that the party, having participated in multiple elections, should be kept, but, in order not to lose the article's history, what about a merger through redirect with Italy of Values or, alternatively, Citizens' Political Movement? --Checco (talk) 13:54, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I knew that this party only participated in the Lombard regional elections, in which other elections did it participate? Anyway, it does not seem to me a relevant topic in the history of the Italy of Values, nor in that of the Citizens' Political Movement (also proposed for deletion)...--Scia Della Cometa (talk) 20:40, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 * If it has to be a merger (not my choice!), we could indeed merge this article and Citizens' Political Movement into For the Common Good., the joint list including also the two parties now proposed for deletion which participated in the 2008 Italian general election. --Checco (talk) 07:24, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Comment I read in a comment that "it is presumed that references exist": is it presumed by what? The page is written in five lines and great part of them seem a WP:Original research. For example, where are the sources abouth the "disagreements with Alfonso Pecoraro Scanio"? I am not able to find sources about this party.--Scia Della Cometa (talk) 20:44, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
 * NOTE that the simple fact that something is proven to exist does not make it pass the general notability criteria. So your arguments are not valid. Yakme (talk) 08:49, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. None of the keep arguments have made a policy based rationale. This is a short lived political party without significant coverage in multiple independent references. Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:NORG.4meter4 (talk) 21:50, 27 June 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.