Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Felyne (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ to Monster Hunter. The concerns raised regarding lack of SIGCOV are much more substantial than a WP:VAGUEWAVE. (non-admin closure) Actualcpscmscrutinize, talk 16:53, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Felyne
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Going through this again, but after several months of trying to find sources that provide significant coverage discussing the Felyne as a fictional race and any impact outside of the games, I've exhausted all resources.

Outside of a large number of promotional efforts on the part of Capcom, any articles discussing the characters are strictly in the vein of "how to" guides that are discussing them solely in the context of the particular game, and don't present any WP:SIGCOV discussion about the characters themselves. Any promotional efforts are also not entirely unique to the Felyne as Capcom does such heavily: case in point, the article discussing the collaboration with Japanese police using Felyne images on merchandise was similarly done prior with Ace Attorney characters.

Additionally looking in the related Monster Hunter film showed no sources either outside of the brief one listed: the character simply isn't discussed in that context either, let alone the race as a whole. Ultimately similar to the case of characters like the metroids or inklings, they're *known* about, and promoted a lot, but not discussed. Kung Fu Man (talk) 13:35, 13 October 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star   Mississippi  01:51, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements and Video games. Kung Fu Man (talk) 13:35, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep As creator - we've already been over this in the last AfD, but there is no rule against using a how-to guide with secondary commentary as a source, only a rule against Wikipedia articles being game guides, which is not the same thing. Game guides are commonly used as WP:RS as long as their content is stated in an encyclopedic way. I fully admit the article's sourcing is not super strong, but with an obvious merge target, that is not a matter to be discussed in a deletion debate, and the article can stand on its own with notability if necessary. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:05, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I also found another recent article on the topic that hasn't yet been integrated into the article. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:13, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The problem is the how-to guide is not offering reception but simply illustrating the gameplay elements of the race in the context of the games, and not even just them specifically. Also the VG247 article is simply saying the sounds used came from the developer's own cats, and is more about the development of Monster Hunter Rise. Additionally it offers no feedback itself on the race on the part of the writer.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 17:36, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * So it's basically more of a WP:INDISCRIMINATE argument, because in-depth analysis of the subject isn't technically required for notability, just an explanation of it that covers it in detail. I'll try to see if I can find examples that show the importance of the subject.
 * The article is decidedly not about the general development of Rise. Its subtitle is "Felynes are Monster Hunter staples at this point – and this fictional race of cats Capcom created has a tangible link to our world.". It starts with an overview of felynes in general, not just in Rise. And it continues to say "From the original Monster Hunter to the current Monster Hunter Rise: Sunbreak, we have basically used the same cat sounds". This is not Rise specific and is just describing something Capcom used to create the felynes. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:09, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I've expanded reception somewhat to demonstrate that INDISCRIMINATE is indeed passed by the article. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:27, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:21, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep viewing the current state of the article holistically, there's reception, merchandise, development, multiple forms of media. That is, most of the article is not dedicated to fictional summary, the article doesn't fall into WP:INDISCRIMINATE. The subject meets WP:GNG with sources in the article. &mdash;siro&chi;o 03:07, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect. The reception etc. is based on passing mentions. This fails WP:SIGCOV requirement of GNG. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:29, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Monster Hunter. No WP:SIGCOV about the characters themselves, and therefore fails GNG. Charcoal feather (talk) 08:59, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I am unsure what you mean about the lack of SIGCOV. There is a filled out reception section about the fictional race, which the article is about. SIGCOV has been clearly shown. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:15, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect. Welp, reception seems like mostly passing mentions and it is flimsy enough to pass WP:GNG.  Greenish Pickle!   (🔔) 23:36, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
 * If it's not specified exactly how the reliable, significant sources already in the article are "passing mentions", then this is simply a WP:VOTE rather than an argument. AfD is not a vote, if there is proof of notability then evidence must be shown that it is insufficient. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:35, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Redirect per WP:PRESERVE. Doesn't have separate notability, but an WP:ATD is available. Shooterwalker (talk) 03:51, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Again, I'd have to ask the closing admin to consider the fact that all of the redirect votes amount to a WP:VAGUEWAVE but do not explain why the article is not notable. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:04, 31 October 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.