Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fernando Carcupino


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 05:38, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Fernando Carcupino

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Insufficient notability for this project, fails WP:ARTIST. Article created by an indef-blocked editor with a history of fabrication and suspected hoaxes (see, e.g., this and this). The two sources in the article do not have any relevance whatsoever to this person (they are about Carlo Carrà and Francesco Hayez respectively); the references were copied from Brera Academy, where they were originally added by me with this edit in 2014.

Carcupino wrote and illustrated a cartoon in Sgt. Kirk in 1969. He gets one hit on Scholar (a passing mention in a bachelor's-level thesis), 0 hits on JSTOR, is not in Grove Art or Benezit. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:10, 27 January 2016 (UTC)


 * because you want to delete this author? is a beautiful page, the author is known, he also created the framework for the Pope.

He was very famous. --Max Araldi (talk) 19:52, 1 February 2016 (UTC) Sock of indef blocked editor User:Alec Smithson  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk  16:52, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Keep There are a lot of books, albeit not in English. This is a case of systemic language bias, and one of GIGO. If you search the books in other languages your notability concerns will be assuaged. WP:Before seems to cover this. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 16:56, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
 * No,, this is not a case of WP:Before, and your accusation of systemic language bias is close to being offensive. Obviously I reviewed the few gbooks sources (they're mostly the same as those in the bibliography of the article) before nominating this and, as you can see, reported in my nomination the only remotely notable fact I found in them (a story in Sgt. Kirk). I didn't trouble to report, for example, that between the ages of 14 and 17 Carcupino participated as an avanguardista (a kind of Young Fascist) in a plastic modelling competition reserved for students of Istituti d'Arte and Accademie di Belle Arti. He appears to have been, as the Romanian source says, one of the Gruppo di Venezia, the (fairly large) group of draughtsmen around Hugo Pratt. So please, tell me this: which of the statements in the article are substantiated by the many sources you found? In how many of those sources did you find in-depth coverage of this person, his life and his work? Did you find the two references in the article at all useful in establishing his notability? Or would you care to revise your comment? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:11, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Not an accusation. Sorry that you took it as such.  I simply have a concern that we are looking at English language sources, and that is a systemic bias.  If you don't input the right name in the right language and format, it is easily possible we are missing sources that could develop the article.  Indeed, there are lots of sources already listed, although I observe that the in line citations here are dismally bad (i.e., absence, poorly formatted).  I note that when one clicks on "Books" in the listing there are several listed.  Unfortunately, text seems largely unavailable.  I am glad that you found one of several sources that mentioned him in a fascist connection.  Whether that makes him notable I don't know.  But the article as it is holds promise.  7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 22:06, 3 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep per . I think WP:BEFORE applies here. reliable sources in other languages also establish notability. Wikic¤l¤gyt@lk to M£ 17:46, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * From WP:Before "Check if there are interlanguage links, also in the sidebar, which may lead to more developed and better sourced articles. Likewise, search for native-language sources if the subject has a name in a non-Latin alphabet (such as Japanese or Greek), which is often in the lede. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 18:26, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 02:53, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:42, 12 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Hmmm, Just about notable I think. He certainly seems to exist his website. Judging by a google images search, his work had one big theme, which the article doesn't really do justice to. Johnbod (talk) 03:27, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:26, 12 February 2016 (UTC)


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