Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fernando Figueroa Gonzaga


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Secret account 20:05, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Fernando Figueroa Gonzaga

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Non-notable person User234 (talk) 05:49, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - Fernando Figueroa Gonzaga is one of the more notable names in Negros society, especially among the older folk who remember local history. A growing number of references to Fernando Figueroa Gonzaga, Fernando Gonzaga or FFG only mention his donations or companies in passing, without giving broader context. This is due to the fact that Gonzaga died in 1970, decades before the internet was available in the region. An entry here at Wikipedia will be appreciated by younger minds, esp. from Bacolod City which is fast turning into a tech & BPO or business process outsourcing hub-- miles away from the "hegemony" or "imperialism" of Manila, the capital of the Philippines. As the region begins to become more computer-savvy, you may expect more articles of this type to find its way in Wikipedia. Thank you. Samito1050 (talk) 20:02, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - To give broader context, this was added: "The NGC opened on August 4, 2008 after much controversy ranging from a land title that was "lost" by the Bacolod City Register of Deeds to 12 court cases filed against the financing and construction of the government hub. These were alleged as examples of political harassment against the Gonzaga legacy. [ref1] It must be noted that the Gonzagas were one of the "ruling families" in Negros Occidental during its early years in the second quarter of the 20th century.[ref2]" ...I hope to post more information and pictures of the Gonzaga marker found at the National Government Center by Nov 8, 2009-- as I am still awaiting these via human messenger. Samito1050 (talk) 03:27, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. per my opinion, this person is not that notable. maybe redirect to NGC per WP:BIO1E, but not a stand-alone article. If one reads WP:Notability (people), doubts will arise regarding the matter. Furthermore, the bulk of the article does not dwell on the person in question himself, but on the matter regarding controversies surrounding "lost documents" concerning land titles related to the government center building. this is WP:OFFTOPIC. might as well rename the article the "NGC controversy". but that would be a non-notable event in itself and deserves deletion. may i also point out that the "keep" votes above do not address the issue of the subject's notability. Jalbuena (talk) 01:25, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep (1.) The person has received a notable award or honor, or has been often nominated for one-- although in this case the honor is very local in character: a lifetime achievement award given at a provincial capital's foundation day. It must be noted, as per Rd232's comment on this editor's talk page that "there is a certain provincialism to English Wikipedia, dominated by US editors and topics they're interested in. There is a Wikiproject on that issue, WikiProject Countering systemic bias." ...I would propose that this type of "systemic bias" also exists among Filipino editors against articles coming from different regions in the Philippines. This means that editors from Manila or Malaybalay in Quezon may have systemic bias against articles coming from Bacolod City or Iloilo, and vice-versa. The Wikiproject on that issue, WikiProject Countering systemic bias hopes to clear such problems of "hegemony" or cultural imperialism of one region against another.

(2.) The basic criteria on notability states, "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject.

(3.) Although the "NGC controversy" has received press coverage, it does not merit its own article entry. It was mentioned in "Fernando Figueroa Gonzaga", nevertheless, to give more context to a land donation made under Gonzaga's name.

(4.) The NGC issues on land titles and lost documents are only mentioned in passing in "Fernando Figueroa Gonzaga".

(5.) Strictly speaking "Fernando Figueroa Gonzaga" is notable due to acts of philanthropy done in his name, whether by himself or by his heirs. In this regard, discussion on the person himself was limited.

(6.) It must be noted that Negros Occidental's economy suffered severely when the sugar industry almost collapsed in the 70s and 80s (pls. read Negros Occidental). Coming out from that state of economic turmoil, donations of hectares of land made under "Fernando Figueroa Gonzaga" are notable as no one else has made sizeable donations owing to the region's relatively bad economy. No one comes to mind who has given back to the region-- with the notable exception of Oscar M. Lopez who donated hectares of Guimaras land after an oil spill affected parts of Guimaras and Panay Island a few years ago.

(7.) Donations to pave the way for a "National Government Center", a public market for the poor, and a public elementary school, among others, in an impoverished region like Negros Occidental in the Philippines is part of an enduring historical record. Samito1050 (talk) 06:29, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete & Redirect. The main coverage of the article and the sources are of the National Government Center controversy, therefore the article should be renamed and re-written to focus on that controversy, and the late F.F. Gonzaga should be given a paragraph for background. See the Fathima Rifqa Bary controversy article as an example.  In that article, the individual isn't notable as much as the event occuring around it.  The event itself has received multiple in-depth coverage from third party reliable sources, the subject of this article has not. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 18:32, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions. Thryduulf (talk) 10:30, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Thryduulf (talk) 10:30, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. 1) The person received an award which is NON-NOTABLE. (The award itself is NON-NOTABLE). 2) Published secondary sources concerning the subject is NOT EXTENSIVE. (That is evident when clicking the search links provided with the deletion nomination.) 3) The NGC controversy itself is NON-NOTABLE. 4) The "lost titles" controversy does not even deserve a mention in the biographical article, it happened long after gonzaga was dead. Assuming that gonzaga is notable, which he is NOT. 5) Philanthropy by itself does not make the subject NOTABLE. There are many examples of this case, especially those who choose to remain anonymous; enumerating these, however would try the patience of the reading admins. 6) We do not use Wikipedia articles to reference other Wikipedia articles; this is a basic tenet. 7) Reading admins, allow me to state something out of topic, as this is what the author has chosen as his last argument: The province of Negros Occidental in the Philippines is NOT impoverished. It may be in the eyes of the author since he is a rich man and has all the trappings of the rich. (BMW's and Big bikes.) The oil spill and Guimaras has entirely nothing to do with the notability issue of gonzaga. User234 (talk) 08:43, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


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