Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Festum Album


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The result was   delete. If anyone wants a copy of the text to source and merge with Creativity Movement, I'll be happy to provide it. — LinguistAtLarge • Talk  06:04, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Festum Album

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Seems a bit of a neologism to me. The only Google hits I'm finding for the phrase "Festum Album" are postings on Yahoo Groups and things of that nature. It doesn't appear to have been reported on by any news media either, and the article itself indicates that the holiday was created in 2002. (ESkog)(Talk) 16:04, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

The religion itself isn't likely to receive media attention, let alone its holidays. However, the holiday exists as does the information about it, which I included in the references section. Besides, unlike mainstream religions, it's relatively new and as such it has no political or economic clout; therefore it's not likely to have much media attention. --scochran4 (talk) 16:12, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The problem is that per WP:Notability, If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article. I understand your argument that the holiday is unlikely to be covered by the mainstream media, but all we need is some reliable secondary sourcing. (ESkog)(Talk) 16:28, 10 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions.  --  I 'mperator 16:28, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to cite Ignore All Rules. The holiday exists and information exists outlining its reason for existence, history, and rituals. The purpose of the article is to accurately outline and detail the aspects of this religious holiday. Deleting this article would be counterproductive to that end. --scochran4 (talk) 01:12, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Scochran4 that the article should remain. It is a recognised holiday that is part of a recognised religion. Thoughtcrime69er (talk) 02:12, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - the Creativity Movement is not a religion, really, it's an atheistic white supremacist movement, and not a particularly big one so far as I can tell. Any content that can be verified through RSs can be added to the parent article later. John Carter (talk) 01:30, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The Creativity Movement has been recognized by U.S. federal courts as a religion in that it gives its adherents a notion of morality. --scochran4 (talk) 13:18, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Is there proof of this? And precisely which movement is this--the "Creativity Alliance," "The Creativity Movement" (a/k/a "Skinheads of the Racial Holy War"), the "TE-TA-MA Truth Foundation," or the "Church of the RaHoWa"? Drmies (talk) 23:48, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Religion-related deletion discussions.  —John Carter (talk) 01:30, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * If anything can be reliably sourced, merge and redirect it to Creativity Alliance; else delete.  LadyofShalott  Weave
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 00:08, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete since not notable; reliable sources saying anything about this "feast" do not exist. I looked. Drmies (talk) 02:07, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete – (edit conflict) lack of any verifiable that can establish notability of this holiday. MuZemike 02:08, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


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