Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fevzi Elmas


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The result was   keep as evidence shows he meets WP:ATHLETE. пﮟოьεԻ  5  7  20:48, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Fevzi Elmas

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Player fails notability at WP:ATHLETE having never played in a fully-professional league/competition Hubschrauber729 (talk) 01:44, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. [WP:ATHLETE] mentions athletes "who have competed in a fully professional league." This football/soccer goalkeeper is playing with a team competing in a fully professional league. We don't care if he's been a substitute since he joined. -- GarbageCollection - !Collect 02:17, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply - Uhm..... Competed means played, which there is no evidence of him playing a game. We do care if he is a sub or not. Hubschrauber729 (talk) 02:21, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Keep Has played at least a couple of games for Galatasaray in 2005 per Turkish Football Federation website. (Striking out my keep vote per Jogurney clarification that these are not Super Lig games. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 20:01, 7 August 2008 (UTC))
 * This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 08:35, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per previous Keep statement that shows he's meets notability guidelines. Page needs updating but that's no reason to delete.  WP:SNOW? Dpmuk (talk) 10:35, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per above; as stated article needs improving not deleting. GiantSnowman 13:48, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep with appearance data demonstrated. matt91486 (talk) 16:28, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak keep - Elmas has played exactly 15 minutes in 1 match for Galatasaray in the fully professional Super Lig (in a meaningless last match of the season). He meets a literal reading of WP:ATHLETE, but only just. Jogurney (talk) 16:29, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * According to these match details, he appears to have plays the full 90 minutes in at least eight games for Galatasaray. There may be more, I stopped there. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 19:23, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Indeed, but those are neither Super Lig nor Turkish Cup matches, and as far as I can tell they are reserve or youth league matches (check this for the league and cup matches: ). I'm quite certain he has only played 1 Super Lig match (per TFF.org) and it was a meaningless 15 mins at the end of the last match of 2004-05 season. Jogurney (talk) 19:32, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Now that I look more carefully, Elmas has played in 10 Turkish Cup matches. I have not looked to see if he was on a Super Lig club and whether the opponent was in the Super Lig, but if so that would help pass WP:ATHLETE on a more substantive note. I'm still at very weak keep on this article. Jogurney (talk) 19:35, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * (ec) Ah, I see. I didn't realise that these were not Super Lig matches that I linked to (it is not clear). Is the Bank Asya 1. League fully professional? He seems to have made several appearances for Antalyaspor. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 20:01, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge and redirect back to his club. This player has one club.  Therefore, he's on the roster.  Therefore, there is a roster.  Therefore, there is no need for a solo article now.  When he is more of a personality distinct from the clubs he's on, then his information will be sought out independently.  This is basic logic.  Utgard Loki (talk) 17:02, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. is quite clear that he's played many matches for Antalyaspor. Although they are in Süper Lig they've just been promoted from TFF First League, and are yet to play a match in Süper Lig (season begins this month). However in past AfD discussions, no one has dispusted that TFF First League wasn't fully professional. Nfitz (talk) 19:55, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note his short Süper Lig appears to be good enough anyways. He was the back-up keeper for many Süper Lig games - so only one short appearance isn't that surprising if the primary was healthy. Also note that his page references that there are pages for him on the Dutch, German, and Turkish Wikipedias. Nfitz (talk) 20:12, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


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