Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Field Marshal Haig's Own Pipes & Drums


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 05:24, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Field Marshal Haig's Own Pipes & Drums

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non-notable pipe band. Ostrichyearning3 (talk) 16:37, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Ostrichyearning3 (talk) 16:37, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Belgium-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 18:02, 5 April 2020 (UTC)


 * KEEP- The proposal for removal of this (and other) pipeband(s) demonstrates the existence of a main issue with a number of people in the world of pipebands: the tendency of part of the piping world to use the participation to competitions as a general reference of importance. The other (non-competition)bands are then, quite insulting, qualified as "non-notable", with even attempts to remove them from the public eye. That is a very discriminatory, elitarian, divisive and extremely snobby approach.

This negative attitude does not only affect Field Marshal Haig's Own Pipes & Drums (further: FMHOP&D), but also many other similar non-competition bands and is endangering the spirit of comradeship within the pîpeband world.

Furthermore, the person proposing the deletion has obviously no serious knowledge about the pipeband scene in Flanders(Belgium) in general and even less about the hard work the small number of specific remembrance pipebands in Flanders, the Netherlands and France are doing on this subject. This is not meant as a personal attack, but does question the authority on the subject and, as a result of that, the justification of the proposal.

In the case of FMHOP&D, the list of, often voluntary and unpaid, involvements and initiatives in the remembrance of the Great War, and, to a lesser extent, of WW2 and other conflicts, is long, especially during the Great War Centenary years Furthermore, the tradition of pipe bands in the Great War was an extremely strong one, trying to wipe out the importance of remembering the legacy of these men is rather ignorant.

One can only wonder what the real motivations behind such a move are. IMHO, it's not to an individual, or even part of the pipe band scene, to decide which aspects (i.e. competition bands) are important and which not. If there is a doubt if entries about pipebands should be included on Wikipedia, then all articles (including those about competition bands)should be removed. Wikipedia should not be shaped according to the interests of one person or faction, but has to be aimed about making (as complete as possible) information available to everyone. Obansinglemalt (talk) 23:03, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Summarizing: a) the argument "non-notable" is personal and non-rational (to put it mildly) b) not only the entry for "Field Marshal Haig's Own Pipes & Drums" should be maintained, but also these of the all the other pipebands, proposed for deletion on the list of Ostrichyearning3, mentioned as "non-notable", as this argument doesn't comply with the policy of Wikipedia, which is aiming for, neutral, non-biased articles c)the person who tries to initiate the deletion is not qualified on the specific subject of pipebands in Flanders/BelgiumObansinglemalt (talk) 19:38, 5 April 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Obansinglemalt (talk • contribs) 19:35, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment: I fixed the keep message above, moving it below the OP's rationale and restored the REMOVE THIS TEMPLATE WHEN CLOSING THIS AfD template to this discussion. — MRD2014 (talk) 23:23, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Per nom. No indepth coverage, a few foreign language sources, but all of them seem to be "things to see this weekend" kind of stuff and not anything that would show the WP:SIGCOV. I do have to say though, the accusation of pipeband discrimination has to be a first here. (Edit: Particularly when that accusation is leveled against a user who seems to have an unhealthy obsession with promoting pipe bands on Wikipedia) Sulfurboy (talk) 03:27, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:52, 14 April 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   15:58, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - I'm not sure what to say other than the organization simply doesn't appear to be notable. As stated above, we don't have the in depth coverage that we need for a proper article. Deletion seems to be the right call. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 19:54, 22 April 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.