Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fiery Red Leather


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The result was Delete -- JForget  23:56, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Fiery Red Leather

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No references, no claims of notability. Prod was contested as "a legitimate new direction in cocktail creation..." kinda doubtful considering the drink is a week old. Possibly WP:NFT. ÐeadΣyeДrrow (Talk - Contribs) 08:45, 7 July 2008 (UTC) You trtea
 * Strong delete WP:NFT is the watchword here (if that's pronounceable as a single word). I'm guessing some competitive bartender is pushing his/her new concoction. I'll take a PBR, please. &mdash;/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 09:49, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment This might be more appropriate for Speedy via WP:CSD; try a Google search for "fiery red leather" -wikipedia whiskey and there are literally zero hits related to any drink recipes. Judging from others' reactions that it doesn't sound like a likely drink makes me suspect that this is simply garbage. &mdash;/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 17:21, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions.   -- &mdash;/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 09:50, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions.   -- &mdash;/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 09:50, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong delete per WP:NFT, or I'll start regaling you with some of the foul concoctions I've come up with in my time. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 12:30, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - "word of mouth" is not sufficient for notability. Marasmusine (talk) 12:31, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong delete with a twistper nom. Wildthing61476 (talk) 12:52, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NFT. Besides, I was never much of a whiskey man myself.  Plasticup  T / C  16:13, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, Wikipedia is not the new cocktail lab. NawlinWiki (talk) 16:14, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, unless someone can come up with a cocktail book listing this information or a newspaper article of some sort otherwise it seems to be a made up drink, all that said, I agree with the conclusion of WP:NFT. Plus they are calling it a Margarita?  If anything it is a whiskey cocktail, one that sounds mighty gross and a waste of good whiskey, I'll take mine neat with a glass of water thanks.--Chef Tanner (talk) 16:21, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Save, You all seem to treat the creation and deletion of articles with extreme levity .. and ignorance of how drinks are created. I created this drink as part of the festivities of the event mentioned in the article. It is a legitimate drink in that it exists and continued references to it occur within certain circles of the NECC event. A search for it will bring up a reference under Alex's Cocktails http://www.cocktailmaking.co.uk/displaycocktail.php/4501-Fiery-Red-Leather (NOT created by me) and also http://blog.larkin.net.au/2008/07/07/wikipedia-verifies-via-google-search-too/ - please note there is no 'Al Upton's Bar and Grill' .. that is flippancy only equaled by what seems to be an all powerful consensus here. You guys are losing credibility fast. I used to belong to the Adelaide Single Malt Whisky Streah at the Earl of Aberdeen. I have some good knowledge of whisky and would only recommend a 'less superior' whisky blend in a cocktail. I repeat that drink creation must have an origin. Whether you like or dislike what is being created and suggested does not merit criteria for deletion. I will take a copy of the discussion here. It will prove very interesting at presentations I give re global collaboration. I appreciate any feedback how the article can be improved (I apologise for it's obvious clumsiness) and lose its threat of deletion.More comment at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fiery_Red_Leather Alupton (talk) 13:42, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * User has less than 10 edits. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Becky Sayles (talk • contribs) 13:47, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm sorry you feel that way, but judging from your commentary you don't understand either what Wikipedia is not or the guidelines for subject notability. You said yourself in removing the proposed deletion template that you're trying to document this cocktail. If I understand you right, that may constitute synthesis of published material which advances a position, or at least original research. Additionally, the fact that this cocktail is part of an "international event" (no matter how significant or notable that event may be) is immaterial; the drink is not notable enough to merit its own article. If you can prove that it is a significant part of said event, then the cocktail should by all means be mentioned in the article on the event. Finally, I notice from that blog post you gave that you're trying to generate reliable sources for this article. From what I understand, such blog posts would not be useful information, as they would be primary sources. I hope this can be of help. &mdash;/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 21:32, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


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