Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Figaro (Disney)


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The result was redirect to Pinocchio (1940 film). Missvain (talk) 22:52, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Figaro (Disney)

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This was nominatd for AfD on pl wiki and I tried to see if it can be saved, sadly, after over half an hour of digging for sources, I have to conclude it is not. I added a bit, but in the end, all I see are few-sentence long mentions (hence, WP:SIGCOV failing) in a number of books about cats (a very popular topic although the books seem to de facto just copy nearly identical content from one another, , , etc.) that only say he debuted in Pinocchio (where he was one of the two original characters added to the classic story by the Disney team - this is also true for his entry in The encyclopedia of animated cartoons, which is two-sentence long, not including the listing of the three 1940s cartoons he appeared in) and according to one source, he was popular enough to make occasional appearances in other Disney media. That popularity claim, however, comes from only one source of borderline reliability, and common sense is simply dubious: the list of his appearances, present in the article, and likely copied from Disney wikia here confirms the likewise unreferenced claim present in the article that he had "a 50-year hiatus of not being in any new Disney cartoons" (hardly a fate we would expect from a "popular character"). Further, he only had 'starring roles' in two short films (,, neither of which appear notable; List of Walt Disney Animation Studios short films makes a claim they are part of some 'Figaro series' but this concept seems to be a Wikipedia-only construct - I can't find evidence that any reliable source identifies such a series, which in either case would consist only of said two episodes, amusingly marked in our list of short films as "the first" and "the final" entries in this "series"). There is also trivia about him being used as a fighter emblem by a WWII pilot. I am not sure if there is a valid redirect target and as for merge there is, well, no referenced content to merge that isn't discussed elsewhere (I've added a note about him being original character to the 1940 movie entry). Maybe redirect to Pinocchio (1940 film) where he makes his first appearance, which seems like the only one worthy of any mention? Or the linked list of short films. PS. Also, note that most of the content here is unreferenced OR/FANCRUFT plot summary... PPS. The way I see it the only redeeming claim of notability he has is that he has dedicated entries in the cited books. But if we cut away all the unsourced/OR content we ended up with the length of three or so sentences - which is the length of his entry in cited sources. Having an entry for such a minor character seems reasonable for a Disney fan-wikia, but I am afraid it is not good enough for us (WP:SIGCOV, WP:NFICTION fails). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:49, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
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 * Keep Pretty notable character... ~ HAL  333  04:05, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , WP:ITSNOTABLE, WP:AFDNOTAVOTE. Sigh. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 04:09, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - You can hardly expect this gray cat lady to vote otherwise. Aren't all cats notable enough to be in an encyclopedia? If he is in a book or encyclopedia, remove the unreferenced parts. Better to have three sourced sentences than nothing. - GizzyCatBella  🍁  07:06, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect - Without a dedicated character list for minor multi-work characters, the film seems like the best place. The legacy section is a good place for any minor but non-trivial appearances of the character. The current sourcing seems entirely insufficient. It seems that it is memorable because of the work in which it appeared rather than for its own mass appeal as a character. TTN (talk) 11:58, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to the film, as per 's rationale. Clearly does not meet GNG.  Onel 5969  TT me 12:44, 3 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment: Without the mumble jumble of it being a "obvious" not notable character along with the silly keep votes. As a Disney fan, I analyzed the Disney core characters and then I researched this character probable notability. This (and Julius the Cat) on google searches don’t have much to go on. At least not yet. Though I feel they are too significant to be deleted and are worthy of having their own section topic if the consensus is not notable enough for stand-alone. Jhenderson  7 7 7  19:17, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: "a 50-year hiatus of not being in any new Disney cartoons" (hardly a fate we would expect from a "popular character"). Not that surprising, I am afraid. There is a hiatus of one or two decades even for characters like Mickey Mouse. In the 1950s, Disney terminated several of its short-film series, and phased out previously popular characters. In the 1960s, the last short films to feature Goofy and Donald Duck were produced, phasing out the last of the classic characters. Most of them would not reappear in animation until "Mickey's Christmas Carol" (1983). Dimadick (talk) 21:56, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Pinocchio (1940 film) as a valid search term, but lacks significant coverage in multiple reliable, independent sources (?) for us to do justice to the topic without veering into original research. czar  05:50, 10 May 2021 (UTC)


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