Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/FilKONtario


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Beeblebrox (talk) 05:18, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

FilKONtario

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Declined PROD. While Filk music may be notable, this particular convention is not. StAnselm (talk) 00:42, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete seems to be a tiny con of little importance (indeed, even calling it a con might be a bit of a stretch). Their home page links to a PDF of everybody's who's registered to show up, and even including the staff it's only a few dozen people.  I'm sure some people will just show up at the door too, but even if the numbers multiply twentyfold it still wouldn't be notable by encyclopedia standards. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  17:07, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment An event does not have to be large in order to be both influential and notable. Netmouse (talk) 04:51, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:34, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:10, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:11, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
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 * Keep 1 GNews and multiple GBooks hits indicate that it has received non-trivial coverage in multiple RS sufficient to establish notability. Jclemens (talk) 17:18, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I didn't see anything resembling substantial coverage by reliable sources when I looked. Links please. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  17:36, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger One ping only 18:25, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep as one of the most important filk conventions in North America, home of the Filk Hall of Fame. - Dravecky (talk)
 * Keep I'm not even much of a filk music fan, and I live in California, and I've certainly heard of it through various news sources within the SF fan community. The size of an event isn't necessarily related to its importance. Kevin Standlee (talk) 16:34, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: If there are RSes, why haven't they been added to the article? - The Bushranger One ping only 18:25, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Keep I have added a link to Interfilk, a 501c(3) charity which recognizes FilKONtario. This con is about to celebrate its 21st consecutive year, and we have records to substantiate attendance of about 130 per year. It is overseen by the Filk Society of Upper Canada, an incorporated nonprofit. It is one of the major filk conventions in the world, and the Filk Hall of Fame adds international attention. This year's attendees will include filkers from England, Germany, SW and west coast USA.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by JGarthson (talk • contribs) 02:53, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep The article needs some work and especially inline citations (I have added a few), but it is clearly a notable topic. I say that partly as a conrunner myself - I am not a filk fan at all but I am familiar with FilKOntario and regularly see it referred to. The Filk Hall of Fame is an important entity and tradition within the community and the event that hosts it logically ought to have an article. A list article for Filk Hall of Fame inductees would not be out of order either. Netmouse (talk) 04:51, 1 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - No coverage in inpdependent reliable sources to establish notability. Can those above who claim they found some please put them forward for evaluation as I can find none. -- Whpq (talk) 16:26, 1 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep This article has been extensively revised, updated, expanded and referenced in the last week. Note that it is very difficult to find references in many media that even mention filk, let alone any specific con.  This article is far more extensive than the one for OVFF, the biggest of the filk conventions.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by FilkerJude (talk • contribs) 19:58, 2 March 2011 (UTC)  — FilkerJude (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Keep This convention attracts international attendees, documented on the home website under "Who's coming". The next con will celebrate its twenty-first year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sue Jeffers (talk • contribs) 21:00, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

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 * Keep The arguments initially put forward for deletion were that the convention is not notable, because it is small. As a musical genre, filk is small by the measure of the number of its aficionados, representing as it does the intersection set between science fiction fandom and (predominantly) folk music.  (Yes, there are other musical styles and influences; this isn't the place to launch into a "What is filk?" debate.)  Nonetheless, the genre is active and vibrant, and has grown beyond an activity done at general science fiction conventions, to the point of being able to sustain specialized or dedicated filk conventions, at last count a total of nine around the world, all of them recurring annual events.  These conventions are a principal mechanism whereby participants meet to share and enjoy their music, and all of them are notable within the community, no matter how trivial they (or it) may appear to outsiders.  Among the nine established conventions, FilKONtario falls in the middle of the size range, and is one of the longest-running. HScrimgeour (talk) 01:59, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep I have added links to two published academic articles directly relevant to this entry, and am searching for a link to a third, earlier article. The two I added were written by a tenured professor of law at the University of Arizona. JGarthson (talk) 14:08, 3 March 2011 (UTC) JGarthson March 3, 2011
 * Keep per being home of Filk Hall of Fame, and per added sourcing. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 03:55, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep One of the largest, oldest, and most noteworthy filk conventions, home of the Filk Hall of Fame, attracts an international membership. Avt tor (talk) 01:27, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * KeepAs per Netmouse. Presence of the Filker Hall of fame lends strongly to notability. Simonm223 (talk) 02:34, 8 March 2011 (UTC)


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