Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Filip Bandžak


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The weight of numbers is clearly on the delete side. More than that, the only two keep arguments 1) come from the article's creator, and 2) are based on the sources in the German wikipedia article, which didn't seem very convincing to the participants in the discussion.

Part of the problem seems to be that many of the sources are not in English. That's not a fundamental problem, but it does limit our ability to provide a good review to either those who read the source language, or the availability of good translations.

If somebody wants to take a shot a finding better sourcing, I wouldn't mind restoring this to draft space. But, as always, this is not carte-blanche to make some trivial changes are expect it will get moved back to mainspace. You will need to do some serious research to find sources which meet WP:RS and WP:N. -- RoySmith (talk) 21:28, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Filip Bandžak

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Basically nothing but YouTube links, no actual coverage and nothing actually convincing with both examinations at Czech Wiki and my own searches simply finding nothing better to suggest needed substance. SwisterTwister  talk  04:23, 14 July 2016 (UTC) The proposer is not right, (s)he manipulates because you can see, there are lotsa serious sources for his life and carrier, journal articles, so I do not understand his/her intention because this act does not concern to the article but to the editor who has created it, therefor this is a personal insult and offence against me. I think this article is useful for English wikipedia I am a confirmed editor, so if an article I have created, is nominated to deletion, it is the biggest offense and insults for a useful and friendly editor and they are the biggest malicious proceedings what can happen to a benevolent editor.Borgatya (talk) 20:09, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment from author - I do not understand this upset, bad faith and application for deletion. The article is even very new, I have created only for a month but there exist 17 other interwikis and this is only the first version of this article. If you look at the editing version which is invisible (between invisible signals), you can see the longer text to format and I intend to expand this article but I haven't had enough time for extending it but I will improve it soon. Please Change the temlate "delation" to the template under construction
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 18:12, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Czech Republic-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 18:14, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Music1201  talk  02:16, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete non notable opera singer.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:25, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

I think this is not a convincing argument because there have been existing many, many less important articles for a long time which nobody cares. He's a young opera singer who 's worth being kept and there exist another 17 interwiki article in several languages? I don't understand why you are so strict. There is enough room in wikipedia, it fits into other articles.Borgatya (talk) 21:11, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Several things I will note,, you should mention other articles as examples as I can essily still delete those if they are in fact non-notable. The fact I have reviewed this one and found it non-notable says it at all. Please, mentioning other articles will not save yours. Also, with that said, please message me these other articles and I will examine. Other Wikis have different standards and English Wiki is one of the few selective ones that are not lenient about acceptable all subjects, that's also why nominated this. You honestly should not have labeled my nomination as "upset".... as it was not. Examining these sources found that none of these are the convincing needed sources and his career equally shows nothing convincing, having "particularly known" listed as a beginning sentence but still not having substantial sources, is not convincing. SwisterTwister   talk  21:56, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

First, I am not a spy, so I do not deal with other editors' editing and I am not a trator, therefore I do not accuse anyone maliciously, and I do not make reports about another editor's works and actions, I am a freindly CONFIRMED editor who respects other editors' devoted and voluntary works, so if I find some mistakes, I try to correect them, but I never think of asking for delation of honest and fair editors' articles. Second, you are an unfair editor who wants to manipulate the proceeding because you are not right, although he is still not famous world-wide, but in Central (Germany, Hungary, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia) and Eastern (Russia) Europe and in Asia (China) he is famous. I suppuse, you cannot read the articles in Chinese and Russian, and in other central European languages (Hungarian, Czech, Slovak, Polish) but his name is not unknown in many many countries. Please, be modest and do not judge unfairly. The Bible, Jesus condemns those who judge others before first judging themselves: "Judge not, that ye be not judged." and "first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye". And are you perfect and unerring but old Romans said: Errare humanum est that is, to err is human.Borgatya (talk) 23:51, 23 July 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 21:55, 30 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep and source. There are sources in the German version. I don't have time to translate right now, but he looks notable. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:14, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment - Yes, although there may be sources here and at Deutsch Wiki, there is still no noticeable signs of confirming hid own actual notability. I will note that the Deutsch Wiki actually lists his own website largely as a major source so that also makes things questionable. SwisterTwister   talk  16:45, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * We don't have to imitate the German's degree of detail which is sourced to his website. There are profiles from notable opera houses and festivals in different countries (Italian, Hungarian, among others), - telling me that he is notable enough. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:22, 4 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete. References fail to indicate WP:N level of notability through coverage in reliable sources. I read the German article and it is similarly lacking in third-party sources, with the exception of this video posted by a local Prague magazine. A notable singer would have better coverage. Can be recreated if such coverage is found.   Sandstein   08:27, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete the references in this article are not sufficient, reliable, widespread or independent enough to pass WP:GNG. -  Yellow Dingo &#160; (talk)  11:43, 7 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep I do not understand this strictness. You are not right, this article owns reliable and independent sources, e.g. an interview with him in a Russian magazine in Russian, though I think, you do not know Russian language but there are lacks of your knowledge, please make sure of the facts and do make your decision with caution:


 * There is an article about him in Spanish of his concerts in Lima on the hompage of Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Czech Republic:




 * Budapest Bartók Plus Opera Festival in Hungarian, Filip Bandžak et the end of the page with a picture




 * An article in Tallinn In Estonian




 * Filip Bandžak: recording Requiem by Juraj Filas in Prague 2013




 * 11th Peter Dvorský International Music Festival, August 1 – 15, 2009, Under the auspices of Václav Riedlbauch, Minister of Culture of the Czech Republic and Marek Maďarič, Minister of Culture of the Slovak Republic




 * All the sources are sufficient, reliable, widespread or independent enough to pass. If this article should be delated because of these unreliable and absurd and ridiculous arguments, the 90 percents of the Wikimedia articles should be delated because they lack the reliable sources. Filip Bandžak is a young, talented and notable artist who is worth keeping.Borgatya (talk) 16:32, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Whether you care or not, you have made several claims that are not giving you good weight as a vote, saying that I "upset bad faith unfair manipulate" this and am somehow this or that, when you are not listening or understanding how things work here. See also WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and WP:NPA, you basically said "I'm not a spy" when I asked you for those other non-notable people. SwisterTwister   talk  16:52, 7 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment, have looked at the 5 sources cited in the Ge wikiarticle, 1 is his own website, 2 is an opera agency, 3 i was unable to access (sorry), 4 a music festival site with what looks like a cv, 5 a news service, very short but states "the 29-year-old Filip Bandžak which is considered one of the most expressive talents of his generation.", so more needed ie. are there any reviews of this performances and/or recordings? Coolabahapple (talk) 20:17, 7 August 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.