Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Filip Twardzik


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The result was   delete. Courcelles 21:18, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Filip Twardzik

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Good faith creation; author believes that this article passes WP:GNG (despite failing WP:NFOOTBALL) and approached me for my views. I disagree, and believe the subject is not yet notable, so we decided to bring it here for wider views. GiantSnowman 16:32, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 16:33, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Argyle 4 Life  talk  17:07, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - He may at this point fail WP:NFOOTBALL, but he (and brother) are prominent subjects of two articles (already provided and linked in the article), and that, IMO, meets the threshold of WP:GNG, which is all you have to meet for inclusion these days. LonelyBeacon (talk) 17:09, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - I wish you guys would hang out whenever an American high school athlete's article goes up for deletion ... it seems they rarely get cut. So be it ... LonelyBeacon (talk) 21:04, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The coverage regarding his transfer is nothing more than run-of-the-mill, and fails WP:NTEMP. GiantSnowman 17:14, 11 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Clearly fails WP:NFOOTBALL at present moment (although that could change at any time), but I think he meets WP:GNG. I think the interview in the Daily Record goes beyond WP:ROUTINE. And while his transfer may come under WP:NTEMP at the moment it is fair to assume that he is not "likely to remain, a low-profile individual" as stated there. The reason I chose Filip over Patrik is that Filip is much more likely to make his first team debut this season, (played in several first team friendly matches and was on the bench a lot last season). And with the injury to first choice left back Emilio Izaguirre for 4-6 months, he is likely to play relatively soon (As Neil Lennon said in a post match interview). Adam4267 (talk) 18:26, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete non notable reserve/youth team footballer. See WP:CBALL Avoid predicted sports team line-ups, which are inherently unverifiable and speculative. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PorridgeGobbler (talk • contribs) 19:23, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Player has reliable secondary articles written about him. So is not non-notable. Whether this is enough to pass WP:GNG is what we have to decide. Adam4267 (talk) 22:02, 11 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment He is notable to some degree but he fails WP:NFOOTBALL we arent a crystal ball so the decision is whether or not he meets GNG now not in a few days time even though it seems he might. If the scotsman and the daily record article are the only non footballing articles available them in my opinion he does fail GNG. I tried a quick scan of google and thats pretty much all i could find amiss a lot of unreliable blog articles. If that changes and more can be found then he might scrape GNG but for now its a delete. Warburton1368 (talk) 23:29, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * While I personally wish things would change WP:N absolutely trumps WP:NFOOTBALL. If one says "He is notable to some degree" (and you mean "notable in a Wikipedia sense"), then you are saying that policy supports inclusion in this case.  For the record, I do agree with being careful about crystalballism. LonelyBeacon (talk) 03:43, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * first of all I said notable to some extent as he has had two articles written about his transfers which are from decent sources. However I don't feel certain that makes him notable in a wiki sense. If there was slightly more coverage then fair enough but if we keep this it's because it's only just scraping through. Is there a source with Neil Lennon talking about him playing from a reliable source not a blog. Warburton1368 (talk) 10:26, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Neil Lennon just mentioned him in passing during the post match interview, it wouldn't be enough for notability on its own. However he has been mentioned in passing in quite a lot of media; several match reports, stats databases and by Neil Lennon. I think we all agree that he is notable to some degree at the present time. I am not trying to say he is non-notable now and will be notable tomorrow. He is notable, to some degree, now and is likely to become more notable soon. Adam4267 (talk) 11:10, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately Wikipedia diesn't have those degrees of notability - you're either notable enough for an article, or you're not. GiantSnowman 12:59, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 13:33, 12 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete. Non-notable youth-level footballer without any experience on the senior level. - Darwinek (talk) 16:42, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. While it's possible for a youth footballer to receive enough significant media coverage to pass WP:GNG, it's pretty unusual. In this case, the report of his signing for Celtic is routine sports reporting, and the other piece, while more substantial, isn't enough. WP:N sums up notable topics as "those that have gained sufficiently significant attention by the world at large and over a period of time". Mr Twardzik hasn't, yet. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 18:14, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
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