Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Films that have been considered the greatest ever


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep. - Mailer Diablo 15:24, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Films that have been considered the greatest ever
This is listcruft, the title itself is POV, and the article is so inherently biased as to irreparably violate NPOV. - Stephanie Daugherty (Triona) - Talk - Comment - 22:10, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. No article with a title that POV can be salvaged under any circumstances. --Aaron 23:02, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment This needs to be listed on the page.--Prosfilaes 01:04, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep' The title is not POV; it's not POV to list films that have been considered the greatest ever by authorative sources. It's important to provide context about what's considered good and bad films in an encyclopedia.--Prosfilaes 01:04, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Note - This should be kept open until 25 September 2006, the AFD notice was not properly posted at the time. - Stephanie Daugherty (Triona) - Talk - Comment - 04:54, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep A list that solicits what others have designated as "best ever" isn't POV and is useful to readers who want to know but don't want to wade through adverts on the one hand or niche film elites on the other.Lethiere 08:33, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Subject is important and has been the topic of numerous discussions. Writing about opinions from reliable sources doesn't violate WP:NPOV. Mitaphane talk 09:17, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Proposed partial solution to POV issues - if we can rename this to something that doesn't use the weasel and peacock terms "considered" and "greatest", we would be in better shape, and at least the title would be appropriate for an encyclopedia. - Stephanie Daugherty (Triona) - Talk - Comment - 10:00, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. The title could perhaps be changed, but the content appears a sensible collection of various metrics for ranking films. Espresso Addict 10:32, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Although I think (as I recently mentioned on the article's talk page) that box office information should be removed and/or given its own page (Movies with the Highest Box Office Receipts or something like that). I disagree that "considered" and "greatest" are weasel words in the context of a consensus of movie critics or major award-giving organizations. --Happylobster 14:30, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. chocolateboy 17:21, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Looks like these issues have been discussed in great length on the talk and AfD pages of the other "XXX considered the greatest/Worst ever" articles. All these lists are heavily edited and patrolled and are gradually becoming fairly good articles. -Kubigula (ave) 22:41, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Looks extensively referenced and sourced to me, so does not violate NPOV or WP:CITE in my opinion. I don't see anything wrong with the title, either though if someone thinks they can come up with a better one, knock yourself out. 23skidoo 23:58, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep The title isn't POV, it refers to lists that have already been made. This article isn't saying what we, the Wikipedians, think are the best movies ever, it's listing movies that critics and other people outside of Wikipedia have considered among the best ever.  I hardly see how this is a point of contention. --Spartacusprime 18:32, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. As long as historical surveys and references are properly cited, I see no reason to delete the article. We may want to change the title of the article to something that sounds less POV-ish, though. &mdash; Loadmaster 19:19, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's a useful quality article. The title is carefully worded; it's hard to see how it could be improved. Rwxrwxrwx 21:40, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. This article has been an exhaustive effort -- and, I think, successful -- to give an NPOV approach to an inherently POV subject, by approaching it from every possible angle.  If I remember right, there was a previous attempt to delete this article, and that attempt was also unsuccessful. --Modemac 17:32, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Sometimes Wikipedia is so TIGHT. Personally, I could list 1000 "greatest" movies, but please consider this list is not for "the guided," but rather for those needed guidance. So many PEOPLE, new to English, new to movies, young people, curious people, and others COULD be greatly helped by it. Please no self-centered replies about the rules...lolart 00:10, 29 September 2006 (UTC)AAAAA


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.