Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Final Cut (band)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. WK - improve please! Missvain (talk) 01:27, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Final Cut (band)

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Non-notable band GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 18:33, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Industrial band from Detroit. The article originated as a redirect to The Final Cut (band) which has the same unreliable "sources" provided as this one. Then in 2020, the notorious Soul Crusher expanded the article, so now we have two articles on the same non-notable band. This is going to be a double deletion nomination, as I propose that to deletion as well:


 * The Final Cut (band)

That's the same band, the only difference is the word "The" in front of the name and the fact that the article has been sitting here since 2005, while this version exists since 2020. I don't see why we need two articles on the same band, especially when it's not notable. Anyways, the sourcing is dreadful in both articles - the record label, myspace and a blank Allmusic page, these don't establish any notability. As I see, their albums have been released on notable, major labels which is a sign of notability, of course, but I brought this here due to the sourcing, as the articles does not contain any RS nor did I found any (with the exception of the presented Exclaim link) - just the same old unreliable stuff: databases, WP mirrors, streaming links, youtube videos and blogs. I have found some album reviews but they are featured on blogs, and most of them are short. I have also found trivial news about them reissuing one of their albums, which I do not consider to be reliable. The only reliable source is this: Exclaim Album Review, and that's it. Allmusic has reviewed one of their albums, but it's a really short review, and the biography page of the band itself is blank, which makes it unreliable. The other album reviews I found are featured on blogs, which I have already mentioned. One decent source is a good start, but not enough. So, all in all, I think this is a non-notable band. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 18:28, 23 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 18:31, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Michigan-related deletion discussions. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 18:31, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 18:31, 23 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment - The nominator uncovered a bizarre sequence of events. The Final Cut (band) has been sitting around for a long time, and Final Cut (band) (without "The") was a redirect to it until two months ago. But then User:Soul Crusher turned the redirect into an exact copy of the article it used to point to. That cannot be a beginner's mistake because copying from the older article requires knowledge of its existence, but the motivation for the copy/paste exercise is a mystery. At least one of those should be speedy deleted as a duplicate. Also note that the History/Biography section of the older article was almost entirely written in 2006 by User:Cr33py, who is also listed as a member of the band. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 19:53, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep (one of the duplicates) - The band just barely passes the notability requirements at WP:NBAND, but my vote is "Weak Keep" because most of their media notice is for one album. Deep Into the Cut was reviewed briefly by AllMusic and more extensively by The Quietus  and The Wire . The band also has a basic introduction at AllMusic, though info on the band themselves is sketchy otherwise. In fairness it looks like they have enough for a basic stub article, though the one that remains needs to be pared down significantly to verifiable facts. From album covers it appears that Final Cut (no "The") is the true name of the band; admins can figure out how to preserve the history after the messy redirects and re-creations.  ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 20:03, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - Oh, I just noticed that Cr33py is a member of the band, and yes, he wrote most of the article. So there is a massive COI involved. As for the sources, the Allmusic bio is brief, but it's okay for a start. The AM album review is really short - I have already mentioned that. The Wire piece is a basic short introduction and an album stream. I don't consider that reliable. The Quietus piece is great, as it reviews the album. So we have two good sources now: The Quietus and Exclaim. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 10:05, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete- I'm an industrial fan! Clearly there are notable people *connected* to this band, but whether the band itself is notable I don't know. This article needs more RS - someone add the RS, if it exists, and I will change my vote. Deathlibrarian (talk) 02:16, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep DOOMSDAYER 520 has kindly offerred to work on the article, and I think the older one looks better sources than the newer one. Deathlibrarian (talk) 08:35, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not incredibly passionate about it, but in my "Weak Keep" vote above, I listed some acceptable sources. If the article survives, I can fix it up later by adding sources and removing junk. Admins should note that the redirect/duplicate situation also needs to be cleared up if one of the articles is kept. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 02:27, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep the older article as per the reliable sources coverage identified by Doomsdayer in this discussion so that WP:GNG is passed and deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 00:12, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 02:16, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - I don't think any further relisting is necessary as we have a consensus for at least a weak keep for the band. What we need is for an admin to figure out which of the two duplicate articles to keep while preserving the edit history in whatever fashion is necessary per policy. Final Cut (band) or The Final Cut (band) -- and we can conclude that their name does not contain "The". Once that is done, I can spruce up the surviving article as noted above. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 16:10, 3 December 2020 (UTC)


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