Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Finding Out (TV programme)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to ITV Schools. Stifle (talk) 12:02, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Finding Out (TV programme)

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Non notable TV programme, no valuable sourcing and no ref of it online    Kadzi    (talk) 11:34, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.     Kadzi    (talk) 11:34, 6 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete. While it seems to have existed, even the external link acknowledges that all episodes have been lost. The page's creator has left a comment on its talk page explaining their rationale for creating the page: nevertheless, per WP:IINFO Wikipedia is not the correct place to attempt to rectify the fact that a topic has been lost to history. The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:V. ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 17:02, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge to ITV Schools per WP:CHEAP so it has somewhere to go.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 19:33, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. This was a programme that ran for over two decades. The programme is not "lost to history" as there are many extant episodes, notwithstanding the list of missing episodes being included in the page as an external link. The fact that two external websites have pages about it is evidence of its notability. More could be found with some diligence. DavidFarmbrough (talk) 22:46, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: But, as you know, it is not enough to speculate about the existence of reliable sources to save an article: the existence of those sources must be demonstrated.   Ravenswing     11:35, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. Dr Kadzi appears to be under a misapprehension about the link to TV Brain. That section of the website is there for the sole purpose of listing missing television. Therefore every episode of Finding Out listed there will be missing. It is fallacy, of course, to reverse that logic and decide that that means that all episodes are missing. Even if it were true, is the absence of a television series from the archives a reason to delete a Wikipedia article? It would prevent any articles on pre-World War II television from appearing here. Similarly, the destruction of the DuMont Network archive doesn't seem to have provided sufficient reason to remove those related articles. Simon Coward (talk) 14:05, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 01:29, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak delete. I tried my hardest and came up with basically nothing. (only in "snippet view" so I can't verify) describes it as "perhaps the most popular" ITV show for children at the time. There's also  in a non-RS and  (namedrop). In addition, I found a single paragraph in the TLS from 9 January 1987, p 30, about the then-upcoming season. Just don't think there's the coverage for GNG. However, WP:NTV says that an individual … television program is likely to be notable if it airs on a network of radio or television stations … or on a cable television channel with a broad regional or national audience. ITV surely had a broad national audience in the '60s–'80s. But without any real sourcing, I fail to see how we can retain the article. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 02:28, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 02:30, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 02:36, 14 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete: Per Nom. I am certainly for historical preservation of subjects so not opposed to a merge/redirect to ITV Schools per . Presently that article has no sources, being improperly sourced through the "External links" (with so much material appearing as original research it too could be nominated), so would benefit from a reliable source. This subject could certainly be presented there. Note: When notability is contested it could be a fallacy to only present that sources surely exist. If "More could be found with some diligence", now would be the time. --  Otr500 (talk) 03:56, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete or Redirect: No evidence of SIGCOV here. I'm slightly baffled at the keep proponents focusing their attention on whether there are extant episodes (which one way or another has no bearing on any pertinent notability criteria), and ignoring that this is a GNG failure (where meeting the GNG is, in fact, how those early TV articles survive).  Obviously it could be a credible search term for a redirect, though.   Ravenswing      11:33, 24 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Redirect to ITV Schools per the above arguments. Reyk YO! 07:04, 26 August 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.