Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Finnish exonyms for places in Norway


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The result was   keep. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:48, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Finnish exonyms for places in Norway

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Similar to Articles for deletion/Finnish exonyms (Sweden), this article is essentially a list of translations from Norwegian to Finnish. Whilst it might be suitable for Norwegian and/or Finnish Wikipedia, it is unnecessary in English Wikipedia. If anyone needs to know the Finnish name for a Norwegian place, then the interwiki links on the place's article would help. Bazonka (talk) 09:58, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Finland-related deletion discussions. Bazonka (talk) 10:09, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Norway-related deletion discussions. Bazonka (talk) 10:12, 17 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete. This is the English Wikipedia. If the Finnish Wikipedia wants this list, they can have it transwikied over to there -- but they would probably want to edit the list to remove a number of the names on this list which are repeated due to insufficient maintenance of the list. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 18:18, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep "Considering that Wikipedia has articles about hardly any of these Norwegian places, it's unclear to me why we would need a list of what they are called in Finnish." is the sort of view why wikipedia has grown so unevenly. That we do not have articles on most of them does not mean they are not notable or warmly appreciated here. I think this is useful for not only identifying the features but for those which have Finnish names.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  11:11, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep I agree with Dr. B. (I mention that he suggested I look at this AfD, but as you will see, I do not agree with him on the two related articles) This is actually a list of articles or potential articles. WP is a work in progress. I would possibly retitle the article as Kven exonyms, because Kven, a dialog of Finnish, is one of the official minority languages of Norway. This is not a random pairing of languages: I would not support a similar list of French exonyms for paces in Norway.  Nor is it a random list of Norwegian  places--it's those that have such names because they are Kven-speaking areas.
 * However, I would merge the three articles: I would suggest we expand the content here to includes the villages and significant geographic features in the other  two other articles, in each case indicating on the main list the relevant region & the geographical coordinates for each item.  That we do not have articles on these places is a weakness, for we do have coverage of every town and village in other countries. As DrB says, this can serve as a checklist for making them. The nom and first commentator make a basic error: this is the English WP, but that means only that it is the WP written in English.  The enWP covers the entire world, to the extent we have people to write the articles. Any differences we have in coverage is a function of what people here are prepared to work on. Although it is understandable and expected that  we will always have stronger coverage of England and other English speaking countries  than Norway, our need   is to increase the coverage of Norway to the extent we can. I do not consider it one of our greatest needs, but our priorities are inevitably set by what people here want to do. Whatever part of the appropriate content they want to work on, they should be supported
 * The corresponding article for Finnish names in Sweden was deleted at Articles for deletion/Finnish exonyms (Sweden). This was a mistake, due to inadequate attention. After we keep this, I'll ask for a relisting  DGG ( talk ) 14:29, 18 February 2013 (UTC)


 * We do agree on all, the geographical tabled lists are notable in their own right and productive but the focus on Finnish exonyms rather than on list of landmarks is perhaps less notable. This is different as its a list of Norwegian place names with Finnish names which in my opinion is useful, as was the Swedish one which shouldn't have been deleted. ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  19:51, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree with your logic DGG, that if Kven is an official language of Norway, we should keep this, but do you have any reliable sources backing up that Kven is one of the official languages in Norway? Last time I checked, we had three official written languages (Bokmål, Nynorsk and Sami) If Kven is not an official language of Norway, should we have articles for every minority language in Norway? Mentoz86 (talk) 07:50, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Kven is (officially) a minority language in Norway and seems to be the only minority language apart from two non-territorial minority languages, Romani and Romanes. Also, same reference, "there is no agreement among the Kvens as to whether this language should be referred to as "Kven" or "Finnish". The Norwegian government's policies are not supposed to discriminate against people speaking Kven. Not sure how this helps! Thincat (talk) 11:32, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete. Agree with nom. No need for this on English WP as per WP:INDISCRIMINATE. -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 22:22, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J04n(talk page) 10:47, 25 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep These are the names some indigenous Norwegians use for places in their own country. I expect our woeful notability guidelines do not cover this matter but the topic seems entirely encyclopedic to me. List of Scottish Gaelic place names exists and is very appropriate in my view. Is it legitimate to change red links into interwiki links to nowp? I did this with a single link several years ago and got reverted. DGG's merge proposal is of course wise. Thincat (talk) 12:09, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment - The difference between List of Scottish Gaelic place names and this article is that Scotland is a largely English-speaking country, whereas Norway isn't. Since this is English Wikipedia, essentially the Scottish article is "foreign names for places in your language" and this article is "foreign names for places in another foreign language". Yes, I know Norwegians (the primary audience for this article, I guess) read English Wikipedia too, but they can also use Norwegian Wikipedia which seems a more appropriate location to me. Bazonka (talk) 20:57, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
 * English is not a language spoken in England only, it is a language you speak all over the world. Given that Scandinavians are "best in the world" at English, there are a lot of those who uses the English Wikipedia instead of their local version, so I don't agree with your reasoning. We are also not to decide whether this article/list is suitable for the Norwegian version of Wikipedia, only if it should stay in English Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mentoz86 (talk • contribs) 22:33, 25 February 2013‎


 * Keep-The article is useful and lists the indigenous names of some places. I agree with Thincat.--Goldenaster (talk) 13:32, 25 February 2013 (UTC) — Goldenaster (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mdann52 (talk) 14:06, 5 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep exonym articles is generally encyclopedic and notable, no indication why this one isn't. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 01:50, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - I'm confident that this is notable per DGG and Dr. B. Even though I was one of those who got Articles for deletion/Finnish exonyms (Sweden) deleted, I'd support a DRV or a relist after the arguments that has showed in this AfD. Mentoz86 (talk) 10:28, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
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