Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/First American-Romanian congregation


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was to relist. Dr Zak 02:22, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

First American-Romanian congregation
No references, is unsourced, poorly formatted, and is mostly a copy-vio. The only hit that comes up for the name on Google is the Wikipedia article and a mirror.  Páll  (Die pienk olifant) 18:00, 19 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't think any of those are grounds for deletion, unless it's actually impossible to verify its existence. I see instead a notability problem, considering how this is about a single synagogue that doesn't even exist any longer.  It could make a case, however, judging from the general claim that "the synagogue became a center for cantorial music, and many of the greatest cantors of the 20th century performed there."  If that can be verified and made into more of a concrete factual statement rather than mere puffery, it might pass the test.  A building that survived from 1857 until 2006 may also be notable, even if not so as a congregation in and of itself.  No vote for now.  Postdlf 18:04, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, after the Google evidence was added to the nom above. I'll reconsider if an offline source is cited before the end of the AFD.  Postdlf 19:54, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Changing to weak keep per ergot, below. Postdlf 00:42, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete When you edit a page, it says right under the edit window:
 * Content must not violate any copyright and must be verifiable. You agree to license your contributions under the GFDL.
 * "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. This means that we only publish material that is verifiable with reference to reliable, published sources." (from verifiable) If information is not verifiable, then it does not belong in Wikipedia. The lack of formatting and copy-vio issues are just icing on the cake. If it's cleaned up, then perhaps consensus will change. ~Kylu ( u | t )  05:18, 20 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep, but Move. It actually does Google; you just have to search "First Romanian-American congregation" rather than "First American-Romanian congregation" .  Also note that the nickname mentioned in the article ("The Cantor's Carnegie Hall") Googles, with results including news media, , and the results appear to be relevant to this place.  This is one where I would prefer to err on the side of overcaution and keep just based on how long it was in existance for.  We've had elementary schools with fewer than a hundred students survive AfD before; it would be a shame to keep those and delete this.  ergot 18:33, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment. It might also be worthy of note that the nominator has nominated a very large number of Judaica-related articles for deletion, nearly all of which have resulted in speedy keeps.  Here are some AfD discussions for articles nominated for deletion by Páll:  Articles for deletion/Yaakov Yitzchak of Lublin, Articles for deletion/Tzvi Hirsch of Zidichov, Articles for deletion/Simcha Bunim of Peshischa, Articles for deletion/Yisroel Avrohom Portugal, Articles for deletion/Eliezer Zusia Portugal, Articles for deletion/Moshe Zvi of Svran, Articles for deletion/Yaakov Aryeh Milikowsky, Articles for deletion/Menachem Mendel of Kotzk, Articles for deletion/Levi Yitzchok of Berditchev, Articles for deletion/Naftali Tzvi Labin of Zidichov, Articles for deletion/Yekusiel Yehudah Halberstam, Articles for deletion/Dovber of Mezeritch, Articles for deletion/Israel ben Eliezer, Articles for deletion/Chaim Halberstam, Articles for deletion/Solomon Halberstam (The First), Articles for deletion/Ben Zion Halberstam, Articles for deletion/Solomon Halberstam (The Second), Articles for deletion/Eisner Camp, Articles for deletion/Biryonim, Articles for deletion/Kiddush Club, Articles for deletion/Kedushas Levi, Articles for deletion/Chabad on Campus Foundation, Articles for deletion/Young Judaea, Articles for deletion/United Synagogue Youth, Articles for deletion/Union of Jewish Students, Articles for deletion/Reform Synagogue Youth, Articles for deletion/North American Federation of Temple Youth - Northeast Lakes Region, Articles for deletion/North American Federation of Temple Youth - Mid-Atlantic Region, Articles for deletion/Netzer Olami, Articles for deletion/Liverpool Jewish Students Society, Articles for deletion/Hanoar Hatzioni, Articles for deletion/Federation of Zionist Youth, Articles for deletion/European Union of Jewish Students, Articles for deletion/Eurojews, Articles for deletion/Camp Yavneh, Articles for deletion/Camp Tawonga, Articles for deletion/Camp Miriam, Articles for deletion/Camp Massad, Articles for deletion/Camp Gesher, Articles for deletion/Camp Galil, and others.  Much as I like to assume good faith, I can't help but see an agenda here.  ergot 15:21, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * And would you believe, I have found the actual agenda involved! All written down. -> Category:Judaism_stubs. Kim Bruning 20:17, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Gotcha. Sorry about that.  I just saw someone with no user page or talk page nominating loads of related articles that ended in speedy keeps and assumed something was up.  ergot 20:25, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * There's no user or talk page because he just deleted them. See also WP:AN/I Kim Bruning 20:35, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the link. I'm just glad to see that I'm not the only one who interpreted it the way that I did.  I still think that this one ought to be kept, regardless of motivation for bringing it to AfD.  ergot 23:29, 21 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.