Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/First Battle of Lang Son


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The result was   no consensus. Nakon 01:26, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

First Battle of Lang Son

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unnecessary fork of Sino-Vietnamese War that contains minimal refs and no useful information that isn't already contained on the main page. Without providing any wider detail this page doesn't need to exist Mztourist (talk) 09:11, 15 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Speedy Keep No reason to delete has been provided. Forking/splitting issues are resolved by merger not deletion, per WP:REDUNDANTFORK.  And, in any case, the page seems a reasonable account of the battle.  See The Lang Son Front for an example of a detailed source. Andrew D. (talk) 10:01, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 * the reason to delete is as stated above - this page contains absolutely nothing that isn't already covered on Sino-Vietnamese War which you will see if you look at both pages.Mztourist (talk) 10:15, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
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 * Delete per WP:HOAX, no non-primary or secondary reliable sources can be found that verify that the subject of this AfD occurred. It is the burden of the content creator to provide reliable sources to prove that the event in fact existed. There is one book that mentions the subject, however it was written in 1904, long before the subject of this AfD is alleged to have occurred. Therefore, the subject fails WP:GNG. Weak Delete there is mention in multiple reliable sources of combat during the Sino-Vietnamese War of fighting in or around Lang Son, but none that appear to address the combat as a specific event with in the war, or give the event significant coverage, sufficient to pass WP:GNG.
 * --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 06:14, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * No argument that there was fighting there, but this page contains minimal detail. Given the scarcity of reliable information about the Sino-Vietnamese War generally, isn't better to just have one reasonably detailed page rather than vague forks like this? Mztourist (talk) 07:53, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 06:14, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * No argument that there was fighting there, but this page contains minimal detail. Given the scarcity of reliable information about the Sino-Vietnamese War generally, isn't better to just have one reasonably detailed page rather than vague forks like this? Mztourist (talk) 07:53, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * No argument that there was fighting there, but this page contains minimal detail. Given the scarcity of reliable information about the Sino-Vietnamese War generally, isn't better to just have one reasonably detailed page rather than vague forks like this? Mztourist (talk) 07:53, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Delete There was fighting, but few people has given special attention to this battle. The name First Battle of Lang Son  might come from orginal research. Antigng (talk) 08:33, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Sam Sing! 09:28, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
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