Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/First Lady of the World


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Robert Muller. History will be left intact given the interest in merging. Seraphimblade Talk to me 06:26, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

First Lady of the World

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This book does not appear to meet the notability criteria for inclusion, especially the criteria for books. The sources provided are either self-published, not reliable or give insignificant coverage of the book.  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 08:14, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions.  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 08:16, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Strong keep - as author and as an inclusionist of more knowledge, for a more open Wikipedia. Article existing since July 2011. - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:31, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * See my response to this same argument at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Classics Illustrated Special Issue: The United Nations  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 08:40, 24 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge to Robert Muller. Not enough independent coverage to warrant its own article. DoctorKubla (talk) 06:38, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * weak keep I'm liking this, especially by analogy to Anno Domini 2000 – A Woman's Destiny. Stuartyeates (talk) 09:26, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd not compare the two - Anno Domini at least has a claim to notability as the alleged first NZ sci-fi story - something I'm going to look into - but this doesn't have any similar claim. Also other things have articles isn't really an argument for keeping this article --  Phantom Steve .alt/ talk \[alternative account of Phantomsteve] 10:03, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:02, 30 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge to Robert Muller as its own section of that article. The book's notability is mostly inherited from Muller, but it's unusual for someone with his background to write a novel of this sort, so it's not WP:UNDUE to give it a significant place in his article. - Jorgath (talk) (contribs) 00:55, 30 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge—Makes sense. Not seeing coverage of the novel as its own entity all coverage is about the novel being authored by Muller.  In other words, the novel is only notable because of its author.  However, I agree that the novel is unique, so a merge (with redirect intact) makes sense.  Liv it ⇑ Eh?/What? 17:02, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm not sure how notable Muller himself was - does an assistant secretary-general meet the criteria? That's a separate issue which I will look into shortly, but I'm not sure that merging the content would be much use, beyond a short 1-sentence mention in the article.  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 04:16, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, let's merge it over (I think that there is enough to be merged), then let's try to improve Muller's article, and if that doesn't work, you can take Muller's article to AfD also.
 * I'd be curious to know what you thinks is merge-worthy. The "dedication" section isn't relevant (other than a mention that his wife was an intern at the UN - the section on ECOSOC and Eleanor Roosevelt isn't relevant to Muller's article); the "characters" section is too much detail for Muller's article; likewise, the "Plot" section - the only possibly mergeable bits are the lede and possibly the "Analysis" section. Looking at WorldCat, I see that 5 United States libraries on there hold the title (Alibris, Ashford University Library, Library of Congress, University of North Carolina, Wilmington, Washington County Cooperative Library Services) and two libraries in Lebanon (LAU Libraries, Notre Dame University - Louaize) - choosing another book at random, Ronald Numbers' Galileo goes to jail (which doesn't have its own article) is held by 1129 US Libraries, 14 UK libraries, 21 Australian libraries, 4 UAE libraries... - from what I can see, approx 1258 libraries world wide hold this non-notable book - as opposed to a total of 7 libraries worldwide which have 'First Lady of the World' in their collection - this includes local libraries in many countries (for example, "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows" is shown as being held by London Borough of Croydon Libraries, although individual library stocks are not shown). Looking at Google, I can find coverage of this book at book websites, social media sites, etc - nothing to indicate that it is significant, and nothing in newspapers or in scholarly works.  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 12:09, 2 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Please reconsider to keep the article instead of merge. It is the first novel for a woman United Nations Secretary General. Assumptions that Robert Muller was not notable are unfounded. A brief look at his website - would show he was extraordinary. Please allow more time to add appropriate information and citations to this entry.Kaczdan (talk) 02:19, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.