Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/First genocide of the 20th century


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The result was Speedily deleted by .  Sandstein  11:52, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

First genocide of the 20th century

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This disambiguation is misleading. It's quite hard to establish which was first and why it relates to Armenian genocide only? Arthistorian1977 (talk) 06:53, 14 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep: It relates to the Armenian Genocide because it is the most well-known of them, and it might be a common saying. Prominent leaders such as Pope Francis used the term. I feel this is an important list of early XX century genocides. However, I agree that having this as a dab page is misleading. Maybe we could rename it "List of the first genocides of the XXth century". Emass100 (talk) 07:15, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. The Mighty Glen (talk) 08:12, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
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 * Delete - If an event is demonstrably the first occurring in a defined period of time, then the article should ipso facto contain only one entry, and therefore not be written as a disambiguation page. The word "genocide" is a much-debated term, and the article already notes that one current entry is "Not widely considered genocide by scholars, but called one by many media outlets". Which scholars, which media outlets, and according to which references? But per MOS:DABENTRY, references don't get added to disambiguation pages. Clearly the right place for this subject is in an article, backed by WP:RS, not a disambiguation page. The subject is already covered in detail at Genocides in history and Genocides in history. If there's a case to be made for which was the first genocide of the 20th, according to agreed criteria, then that's the place to document it. The Mighty Glen (talk) 08:44, 14 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete as nom and The Mighty Glen. I can't get my head around "List of the first genocides of the 20th century" - what's the point of that instead of just a list of 20th century genocides? Ah, we have Genocides in history. Doug Weller  talk 09:35, 14 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete Needs citation as to how, why, and by whom these events are considered to be the first genocide of the 20th century, otherwise it is just pure WP:LISTCRUFT. Acnetj (talk) 10:15, 14 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete - I can't see how this could be turned into a compliant disambiguation page. If there's a case for an article on 'the first genocide of the 20th Century' then that's a separate issue. Gilgamesh4 (talk) 16:20, 14 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete I can't see how this avoids being original research -Snowded TALK 17:08, 14 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete Per the Mighty Glen, this looks like an attempt to do an end-run around WP:NPOV and WP:V via a disambiguation page.  Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:42, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:TNT - maybe someone can actually take the time to find out what the first 20th Century genocide was, and write a proper article about it. Exemplo347 (talk) 21:06, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. Morrister is very correct. I don't appreciate his commentary on what does or doesn't make a genocide, but this phrase could apply to any of these notable events.  ChalkDrawings33 (talk) 07:16, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - it could apply to any of them, it could apply to none of them. Too much like a POV and OR quagmire.  Being a genocide may be noteworthy but being the first in a particular time period is not, particularly when there is no general consensus or agreed upon criteria. Agricolae (talk) 16:48, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete If the page could say more about how and why this controversy came about, it would be worthwhile. As-is, it's mystifying. Vadder (talk) 22:03, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Deleted as a page created by a blocked or banned editor The two main editors including the creator are blocked as socks. If someone else - you don't have to be an Admin, wants to close, I'd apreciate it. Doug Weller  talk 14:45, 20 May 2018 (UTC)


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