Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fistful of Vengeance


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Geschichte (talk) 22:55, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Fistful of Vengeance

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Fistful of Vengeance

Unreleased movie that does not satisfy any version of film notability guidelines and does not satisfy general notability guidelines.

Created in article space in August 2021, then moved to draft space by User:Bovineboy2008 with the edit summary: 'film's production is not particularly notable, does not meet WP:NFF yet'. Submitted for AFC review on 20 January 2022, and declined with statement: 'Please expand after the film is released to include reception information, and resubmit.' Moved to article space immediately after decline, with edit summary:  'Deserves a page, and the official title doesn't include Wu Assassins in it (for some reason)'. The title is a secondary issue, but the film only deserves a page if it satisfies general notability or film notability. The article does not speak for itself and establish why the unreleased film is notable, and the references do not establish notability. The references say that the film started production and completed production, but there is nothing notable about the film or its production.
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Robert McClenon (talk) 06:05, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Robert McClenon (talk) 06:05, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Robert McClenon (talk) 06:05, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

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 * My recommendation is Keep because Fistful of Vengeance is streaming this February 17th and barring anything catastrophic I strongly doubt that Fistful of Vengeance won't be streaming this February 17th. And if the Fistful of Vengeance article is not made/kept the movie itself will still be refered to and/or is already refered to in the articles for Wu Assassins, Iko Uwais, Lewis Tan, Roel Reiné etc.
 * As for news coverage/notability (per Google News search today): Variety (as noted in the media coverage table above), ScreenRant, MovieWeb, NME, Collider (new article published Jan 21st), Geek Tyrant, Gizmodo, CBR, JoBlo, SlashFilm, Hypebeast, and several Dutch-language and Indonesian language news sites are already beginning to publish several articles covering Fistful of Vengeance since the trailer dropped yesterday (Jan 21).
 * I am confident that coverage will only get wider in the coming days. And after February 17 (which is only 26 days away from today) you'll have your full plot synopsis and initial wave of critical reception.
 * Fistful of Vengeance is eagerly anticipated because Wu Assassins has been critically acclaimed for its martial arts choreography, and media coverage anticipates that the excellent fight choreography will continue. Also both Fistful of Vengeance and Wu Assassins are part of the recent wave of Asian-American cinema which started with Crazy Rich Asians in 2018 and continues today.
 * And if Fistful of Vengeance's status as a yet-to-be-released movie is the issue then why do we also have articles for the upcoming Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness (coming May 2022), streaming series Moon Knight (March 2022), Thor: Love and Thunder (July 2022), and so on and so forth?
 * --Ferdi Zebua (username: Lemi4) (talk) 21:37, 21 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:CRYSTAL.  ♡RAFAEL♡(talk) 01:06, 22 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep I'm not sure I agree with Rob that this article is not notable. In my opinion, it is well written and extremely well sourced using a variety of reliable sources. Therefore, I feel it does pass NFF, and the article should remain 19:36, 22 January 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by KeineMelon (talk • contribs)

Relisting comment: I am fully cognizant of the effect this relist has regarding certain argument put forth. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 18:34, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep I believe the film does reach notability standards; it's just a stub as of now, but is slowly getting more info on here, especially since promo material just dropped as the release date nears. Iamnoahflores (talk) 21:32, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep, the article has the typical sourcing that unreleased films have, I am not particularly enthusiast about them, but this one is not different, and the release date is very close. I disagree with the nominator's table above, eg. I agree the Variety article carries a very limited weight, but how is it not an independent, significant or secondary source? Cavarrone 08:41, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep while I admit that draftify is probably the correct answer, it seems like process wankery to me to do so and bring it right back. We're talking about February 17, 2022 so three weeks away. I don't think this is the crystal territory that it would be if we were talking 2023. Star   Mississippi  17:42, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep Deadline Hollywood and Variety are considered reliable. I also don't know why they wouldn't be considered independent here? Besides WP:NFF doesn't apply here, since photography wrapped in 2021. It wasn't the right way to publish the page but I don't think it should be deleted. BuySomeApples (talk) 20:14, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Agree with above and a few references/hits found in Screen Rant, a reliable source also I believe. Oaktree b (talk) 20:58, 31 January 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.