Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fjortis (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. If editors are interested in discussing the term in an historical context, and have the sources to do so at some point in the future, I will be happy to provide a copy of the deleted article upon request. Thank you, and God bless.  Go  Phightins  !  16:04, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Fjortis
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It's a Swedish (and to some extent Norwegian) slang term that means "young, immature (female) teenager". There is nothing in the article that shows particular notability or that is associated with any particular cultural attributes. It's simply a Swedish slur (among classics like hora, bög, skitunge or whatever) and right now not really beyond a dictionary definition. It was kept due to no consensus in the last AfD in 2008, but nothing has really emerged to establish this as a Swedish slur of note.

Peter Isotalo 17:48, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sweden-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:58, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:58, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
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 * Weak delete as per WP:DICDEF. Not sure the topic is sufficiently encyclopedic, more of a slang pop-culture term. Still, despite the lack of WP:RS, my sense is the article is essentially correct in describing the term, since the article has been in Wikipedia for six years and has stayed in pretty much the same format and sense. Pageviews averaging 25/day, roughly, occasional spikes, so I would not be averse to keeping it either.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 16:37, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 01:50, 6 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete Move to Wiktionary .--Rpclod (talk) 02:36, 6 August 2014 (UTC) Change in recommendation is based on Peter's below comment.--Rpclod (talk) 13:53, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete Scandinavian slang dicdef. Wictionary is welcome to it. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  03:32, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: Wiktionary has had a proper entry on this word since 2008. I even added a proper citation from Aftonbladet just now. Peter Isotalo 18:33, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wikipedia is not an English-Swedish dictionary. Dolovis (talk) 02:37, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. Seems like a valid neologism to me. It counts with extensive references in both Norwegian and Swedish media. AfD has a tendency towards delete. Cases like this need some attentive consideration. CesareAngelotti (talk) 14:22, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * It would be good to keep this article in Wikipedia but wondering if there are any discussions in the media about the term -- what it means, how it is used. It would be good if there are linguistics professors talking about it, or media analysts, language experts discussing it. If there are only mentions of the term in the media, probably won't be enough to merit inclusion.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 14:34, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm a native Swede myself and I'm also huge language nerd. I've been active on and off on English Wiktionary, for example. I know that fjortis has a certain twang of the very young, bimbo-esque valley girl over it, but it's not even confined to girls, nor any social class. There are a lot of slurs and slang terms for various social classes/subcultures/age groups, like kicker (young, aggressive, usually immigrant males), svenne (an unexciting, preferably rural and slightly conservative ethnic Swede), brat (upper-class teens or young adults), emo (same as in English pretty much), stekare (slick upper-class males). All of these are fairly vague, but still much more specific than fjortis. The core meaning is really about youth and immaturity, but not much else.
 * Someone might be more up to date than me about this, but I've yet to see anything that can be pinned down precisely enough to merit an encyclopedia article.
 * Peter Isotalo 15:26, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I want to see an article based on what Peter wrote! Not sure how to title it though.--Rpclod (talk) 04:33, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
 * You mean along the lines of Swedish slang terms and slurs?
 * Peter Isotalo 07:34, 16 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete. Dicdef. The article doesn't hide the fact it is a dicdef. Szzuk (talk) 21:32, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
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