Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Flag of China (disambiguation)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Even discounting the two IPs, who seem to think this is about politics, we have no consensus between keep and redirect.  Sandstein  08:35, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Flag of China (disambiguation)

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Functionally pointless page. The third suggested link isn't to an article but to a section of an article (the List of Chinese flags article on the page), which is basically a picture, and I'm willing to bet that it that flag is never referred to as the Flag of China in any sort of contemporary context. The other two both hatnote to each other, so there's no reason for this page to exist, and no reason why anyone should reach it. CMD (talk) 01:45, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Looking further into it, this may actually fall under WP:CSD G6, which specifically mentions "deleting unnecessary disambiguation pages". CMD (talk) 02:04, 7 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Redirect to List of Chinese flags which has much of the information people visiting this page would be looking for, and links to the rest of that information. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:20, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 22:55, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 22:55, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I liked Redirect to List of Chinese flags as being a compromise between the reason (whatever it was) of the people/person who created the disambiguation page with its admitted relative uselessness, and the plethora of information at the List of Chinese flags. However questions remain: (1) should the dab hatnotes be changed to pointing to the List of Chinese flags instead of the ROC/PRC flag pages? which feels like a more NPOV solution; and (2) what function would the redirect have if there are no links to Flag of China (disambiguation)? Flag of the People's Republic of China redirects to Flag of China.  I gather that at some point the consensus was that PRC was the primary topic for China, and hence Flag of China should not point to a disambiguation page, nor to the List of Chinese flags.  Is that true?  Obviously there are a lot of toes here to be stepped upon (or oxen to be gored). --Bejnar (talk) 23:36, 7 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Procedural close, as I'm pretty sure that dab pages are supposed to be discussed at WP:MFD? - The Bushranger One ping only 07:17, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Are they (the might be, I don't know)? They don't fall under "Book:, Help:, Portal:, MediaWiki:, Wikipedia: (including Wikiprojects), User:, the various Talk: namespaces, and userboxes (regardless of namespace)", as far as I can tell. On the other hand, no that one option has been removed from it and it is just now two hatnoted articles hatnoting to each other, if this is procedurally closed it's probably more appropriate to nominate it for G6. CMD (talk) 11:10, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * AFD is the correct venue, see WikiProject Disambiguation/Article alerts/Archive. TimBentley (talk) 18:23, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clearing that up. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:14, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep if not speedy dismissed. There are three instead of two. Don't mislead people. Be honest. Even if it should be G6ed, the venue should be MfD. 119.236.141.31 (talk) 18:00, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * There's a third link now, because you've just added one, but this isn't a list, it's a disambiguation page. The list is at List of Chinese flags. CMD (talk) 18:39, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I added it before you filed your misleading AfD. 119.236.141.31 (talk) 10:43, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Version when I filed AfD. From my nomination: "The third suggested link isn't to an article but to a section of an article (the List of Chinese flags article on the page)". For the record. CMD (talk) 12:17, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment: Mfd is only for the following namespaces: "Book:, Help:, Portal:, MediaWiki:, Wikipedia: (including Wikiprojects), User:, the various Talk: namespaces, and userboxes (regardless of namespace)". Dab pages are however in the main article namespace, so this forum is the right venue for discussing them. De728631 (talk) 18:43, 13 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep. Misleading AfD nomination. There isn't just one China. It's like Korea. 117.103.153.160 (talk) 14:20, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Totally irrelevant. My nomination had nothing to do with there being one or two Chinas. It was made because it's a disambiguation page no-one should ever reach, as both the relevant articles hatnote directly to each other. CMD (talk) 14:44, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - China, People's Republic of China, Chinese Taipei, Reorganized National Government of China, etc. all got flags and the DAB page allows readers typing in a reasonably likely topic name for more than one Wikipedia topic can quickly navigate to the article they seek:
 * Chinese Taipei Olympic flag
 * Flag of the People's Republic of China (1949 – )
 * Flag of the Ch'ing Empire (Manchu Empire) ( – 1912)
 * Flag of the Republic of China (1912 – )
 * Flags of the Reorganized National Government of China
 * List of Chinese flags
 * List of flag bearers for China at the Olympics
 * List of flag bearers for Chinese Taipei at the Olympics
 * -- JeffreyBillings (talk) 15:19, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - now a useful dab page (and, when it comes to disambigations, WP:ITSUSEFUL does need to be considers, IMHO). - The Bushranger One ping only 21:58, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of Chinese flags - everything on this page is already in List of Chinese flags. -Zanhe (talk) 23:08, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.