Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Flag of Long Beach, California


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 17:17, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Flag of Long Beach, California

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I don't feel any of the references listed are reliable, and am unable to find any official site that mentions this flag; it's not on the city website. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 02:52, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
 * It's in the background of this picture from this article. -- ParadiseDesertOasis8888 (talk) 08:40, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. North America1000 08:24, 2 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Merge - none of the sources I see manage to avoid being OR or the equivalent of picture mentions. None of the articles are substantially about it. It makes far more sense as a sub-section in Long Beach, California Nosebagbear (talk) 13:00, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I have added new sections and sources to the article and I think that it is long enough to be it's own article and not just a section on Long Beach's article. -- ParadiseDesertOasis8888 (talk) 04:51, 5 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete as lacking independent notability; or merge with the article about the area. -The Gnome (talk)
 * It is notable. It has been around for 50 years and it is put in the background with other flags (American, Californian, etc.) when people who work for the city are giving speeches. -- ParadiseDesertOasis8888 (talk) 04:51, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
 * ParadiseDesertOasis8888 is the creator of the contested article. -The Gnome (talk) 06:08, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
 * We still need evidence of independent notability. Longevity alone does not make for it; neither does being "background for speeches," otherwise we'd have articles about "Pens on desk" or "Nervous assistants." Yes, we have one for "Lies" but on a different basis. -The Gnome (talk) 06:08, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
 * What makes the Flag of Birmingham, Alabama, Flag of Mobile, Alabama, Flag of Phoenix, Flag of Los Angeles, Flag of San Diego, Flag of San Francisco, Flag of Santa Barbara, California, Flag of Colorado Springs, Colorado, Flag of Denver, Flag of Jacksonville, Florida, Flag of Tampa, Florida, Flag of Trenton, Georgia, Flag of Springfield, Illinois, Flag of Fort Wayne, Indiana, Flag of Indianapolis, Flag of Lafayette, Indiana, Flag of Des Moines, Iowa, Flag of Louisville, Kentucky, Flag of Baton Rouge, Louisiana, Flag of New Orleans, Flag of Baltimore, Flag of Boston, Flag of Detroit, Flag of Minneapolis, Flag of St. Louis, Flag of Billings, Montana, Flag of Las Vegas, Flag of Buffalo, New York, Flag of Grand Forks, North Dakota, Flag of Cleveland, Flag of Germantown, Ohio, Flag of Portland, Oregon, Flag of Easton, Pennsylvania, Flag of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, Flag of Philadelphia, Flag of Chattanooga, Tennessee, Flag of Nashville, Tennessee, Flag of Dallas, Flag of Houston, Flag of Salt Lake City, Flag of Richmond, Virginia, and the Flag of Seattle all more notable than the flag of Long Beach? All of their respective articles have a similar length number of sources to Long Beach's. -- ParadiseDesertOasis8888 (talk) 04:34, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, essentially you're saying "other stuff exists" in Wikipedia so why not allow yours too. I'm afraid this bird won't fly. -The Gnome (talk) 09:45, 6 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Indeed, Gnome is right - their presence doesn't help, it more points out some other articles vulnerable to AfD. Strictly speaking Other Stuff Exists can be used as a partial argument either way, but there are two problems with that: a) You still need a reasonable notability argument for this specific article b) a sample flick through of five of the above fails to indicate notability for four of them, so they can't buttress your case. Nosebagbear (talk) 10:48, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I just updated the article to include a more detailed history. This update uses newspapers from that era as sources and includes a more detailed background story of the flag to satisfy the need to be notable when compared to other American municipal flags. -- ParadiseDesertOasis8888 (talk) 07:04, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment (Expanding back out, rather than 8 colons) - a couple of interesting sources - and kudos for tracking them down. I will have a think on the mention/sigcov issue on the 1st press telegram one and the Vexillological Association source. Nosebagbear (talk) 11:35, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 21:36, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - Keep this as a separate, distinct article. It's not unusual for flags of cities to have their own articles and this is the sort of content that a project like Wikipedia was made for. Thanks to the expanded sources and citations added since its nomination, the article is much better now than it was when it was initially created. Cheers. Scanlan (talk) 00:30, 14 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep There seems to be a wealth of information on this flag which is backed by independent sources. I see no reason why this City's flag should not have its own article. Freetheangels (talk) 01:34, 14 May 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.