Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Flagstaff Arts and Leadership Academy


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The result was nomination withdrawn — passes the GNG with added sources. Raymie (t • c) 22:27, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Flagstaff Arts and Leadership Academy

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I created this article nearly a decade ago, and it was attempted speedied yesterday (schools cannot be speedied under A7). However, it clearly does not meet the GNG and I would never have created it today. Raymie (t • c) 21:14, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Raymie (t • c) 21:14, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Arizona-related deletion discussions. Raymie (t • c) 21:14, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 21:19, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * SUPPORT – I nominated this article for a speedie. And I'm always happy to learn – e.g., that A7 does not apply to educational institutions. Anyway, let's clear a bit of this unnecessary WP clutter. – S. Rich (talk) 05:23, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
 * SPEEDY KEEP. A WP:BEFOREsearch I just conducted found many WP:RS. Under WP:CONTN, if the source material exists, even very poor writing and referencing within a Wikipedia article will not decrease the subject's notability. I found the sources below on Newpapers.com. This article needs improvement, but it does not qualify as a candidate for deletion: it meets WP:GNG — Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 22:04, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep  - the community's position hasn't changed. Any terminal secondary school in a developed country is going to meet WP:GNG on the presumption of existing offline sources. For such an experienced editor, this nomination shows a remarkable lack of BEFORE. School notability is at least partially based on Wikipedia's gazetteer function due to a school's social significance as a part of the community. It doesn't take much to meet WP:NSCHOOL. John from Idegon (talk) 19:20, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment it looks like there is only coverage in one or two local newspapers. That doesn't necessarily make the school notable. buidhe 06:30, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * And your point? What is it you think is necessary? A book? An NYT article? Historically at AfD, any terminal secondary school has been kept as long as it clearly exists and there are reliable secondary sources to provide content. The second is a given for any US school. A school article helps fulfill Wikipedia's WP:GAZETTEER function. Even a permastub (which this isn't), with only basic information like stats and sports is worthy of being here. A somewhat morbid example why? There have been at least two (including one of the biggest, MSD) school shootings that, when they occurred, we had no article on the school. It's a sad comment on today's world I guess, but most school shootings don't rise to the level of notability. It's far simpler to manage the edit onslaught after any school shooting if there is already a place for the content to land. John from Idegon (talk) 08:08, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Further, there is a strong presumption of offline sources for significant local institutions like schools. It's a safe bet that any major accomplishments are covered state wide. John from Idegon (talk) 08:16, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * More of the references in the article are to books from major publishers rather than to local newspapers, so I don't understand that comment. Phil Bridger (talk) 09:57, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep  - the community's position hasn't changed. Any terminal secondary school in a developed country is going to meet WP:GNG on the presumption of existing offline sources. For such an experienced editor, this nomination shows a remarkable lack of BEFORE. School notability is at least partially based on Wikipedia's gazetteer function due to a school's social significance as a part of the community. It doesn't take much to meet WP:NSCHOOL. John from Idegon (talk) 19:20, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment it looks like there is only coverage in one or two local newspapers. That doesn't necessarily make the school notable. buidhe</b> 06:30, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * And your point? What is it you think is necessary? A book? An NYT article? Historically at AfD, any terminal secondary school has been kept as long as it clearly exists and there are reliable secondary sources to provide content. The second is a given for any US school. A school article helps fulfill Wikipedia's WP:GAZETTEER function. Even a permastub (which this isn't), with only basic information like stats and sports is worthy of being here. A somewhat morbid example why? There have been at least two (including one of the biggest, MSD) school shootings that, when they occurred, we had no article on the school. It's a sad comment on today's world I guess, but most school shootings don't rise to the level of notability. It's far simpler to manage the edit onslaught after any school shooting if there is already a place for the content to land. John from Idegon (talk) 08:08, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Further, there is a strong presumption of offline sources for significant local institutions like schools. It's a safe bet that any major accomplishments are covered state wide. John from Idegon (talk) 08:16, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * More of the references in the article are to books from major publishers rather than to local newspapers, so I don't understand that comment. Phil Bridger (talk) 09:57, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep  - the community's position hasn't changed. Any terminal secondary school in a developed country is going to meet WP:GNG on the presumption of existing offline sources. For such an experienced editor, this nomination shows a remarkable lack of BEFORE. School notability is at least partially based on Wikipedia's gazetteer function due to a school's social significance as a part of the community. It doesn't take much to meet WP:NSCHOOL. John from Idegon (talk) 19:20, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment it looks like there is only coverage in one or two local newspapers. That doesn't necessarily make the school notable. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 06:30, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * And your point? What is it you think is necessary? A book? An NYT article? Historically at AfD, any terminal secondary school has been kept as long as it clearly exists and there are reliable secondary sources to provide content. The second is a given for any US school. A school article helps fulfill Wikipedia's WP:GAZETTEER function. Even a permastub (which this isn't), with only basic information like stats and sports is worthy of being here. A somewhat morbid example why? There have been at least two (including one of the biggest, MSD) school shootings that, when they occurred, we had no article on the school. It's a sad comment on today's world I guess, but most school shootings don't rise to the level of notability. It's far simpler to manage the edit onslaught after any school shooting if there is already a place for the content to land. John from Idegon (talk) 08:08, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Further, there is a strong presumption of offline sources for significant local institutions like schools. It's a safe bet that any major accomplishments are covered state wide. John from Idegon (talk) 08:16, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * More of the references in the article are to books from major publishers rather than to local newspapers, so I don't understand that comment. Phil Bridger (talk) 09:57, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep  - the community's position hasn't changed. Any terminal secondary school in a developed country is going to meet WP:GNG on the presumption of existing offline sources. For such an experienced editor, this nomination shows a remarkable lack of BEFORE. School notability is at least partially based on Wikipedia's gazetteer function due to a school's social significance as a part of the community. It doesn't take much to meet WP:NSCHOOL. John from Idegon (talk) 19:20, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment it looks like there is only coverage in one or two local newspapers. That doesn't necessarily make the school notable. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 06:30, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * And your point? What is it you think is necessary? A book? An NYT article? Historically at AfD, any terminal secondary school has been kept as long as it clearly exists and there are reliable secondary sources to provide content. The second is a given for any US school. A school article helps fulfill Wikipedia's WP:GAZETTEER function. Even a permastub (which this isn't), with only basic information like stats and sports is worthy of being here. A somewhat morbid example why? There have been at least two (including one of the biggest, MSD) school shootings that, when they occurred, we had no article on the school. It's a sad comment on today's world I guess, but most school shootings don't rise to the level of notability. It's far simpler to manage the edit onslaught after any school shooting if there is already a place for the content to land. John from Idegon (talk) 08:08, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Further, there is a strong presumption of offline sources for significant local institutions like schools. It's a safe bet that any major accomplishments are covered state wide. John from Idegon (talk) 08:16, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * More of the references in the article are to books from major publishers rather than to local newspapers, so I don't understand that comment. Phil Bridger (talk) 09:57, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * More of the references in the article are to books from major publishers rather than to local newspapers, so I don't understand that comment. Phil Bridger (talk) 09:57, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, xinbenlv  Talk, Remember to "ping" me 02:42, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Grand&#39;mere Eugene. userdude 04:19, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. There is significant coverage of this school in independent reliable books from major publishers, which is the very essence of notability. Phil Bridger (talk) 14:11, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:HEY and Grand&#39;mere Eugene's improvements. The article was weak when it was nominated; it's much stronger now. — Toughpigs (talk) 15:16, 26 March 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.