Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Flame of Passion


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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 06:24, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Flame of Passion

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Film appears to fail WP:NFILM, as only 1 source cited, that is no more than a catalog listing, and no others found in a BEFORE. Donald D23  talk to me  21:53, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  Donald D23   talk to me  21:53, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions.  Donald D23   talk to me  21:53, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete not enough sourcing to show notability. Not every film ever produced commercially is notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:08, 28 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment: Regarding the nominator's statement about the catalog listing, the Wikipedia article links to this catalog listingInternet Archive published by the American Film Institute (AFI). In discussing Flames of Passion, the AFI catalog listing cites from the 16 Oct 1915 Motion Picture News, the 16 Oct 1915 Moving Picture World, the 23 Oct 1915 Moving Picture World, the 5 Nov 1915 Var, the 18 Dec 1915 Motion Picture News, and the 3 Mar 1919 Wid's Daily. The "Source Citations" section has even more articles (14 in total). This is enough coverage to meet Notability Cunard (talk) 02:38, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  The film review was published in 1915 so is in the public domain. The film review notes: "The 'Flame of Passion' feature film is in five reels, a Terris Film Co. picture, with Tom Terris the director, scenario writer and principal player of it. Next to Mr. Terris, in point of important acting, is Elaine Terris, a voluptuous, handsome woman, who admirably suits the character assigned her, that of a southern enchantress, coached by her lover to entangle a northern and lead him to his ruin, with death preferred after that for the young man from the north. Most of the scenes were taken in Jamaica, and some remarkably pretty landscapes are shown. In its exterior views the 'Flame of Passion' appears to be a travelog of the Island of Jamaica, but as these scenes are neatly interwoven into the story, they become merely backgrounds for the players or the action. The tale is dramatic, of the northerner in love with a girl of his own city, going somewhat wild and leaving for Jamaica, where he had been left a fortune, which greatly angered the dead man's friend down there, the latter being willed the estate if the northerner died. It is to accomplish that death by inciting a passion in the northerner for his mistress that the Jamaican connived with his girl to ensnare the northern fellow. Jealousy spoiled the plan, however, as it had about reached its fulfillment. The northerner's sweetheart also went to Jamaica to save him, when the villain fell in love with and kidnapped her, his unfaithfulness to his 'girl' bringing about a battle between them in which the girl was killed. Her death released the northerner from her thrall, he rescuing his sweetheart, and they returning home ot be wed. The progress of passion is somewhat vividly brought out through the blandishments and languidness of the adventuress, also the susceptibility of the northern young man, but Miss Terris is the mould of a woman in this feature that almost anyone might be excused for ardently admiring. Some of the scenes are extremeley well set. One was a fire at sea, Mr. Terris utilizing the boat and crew he traveled with to Jamaica, to neatly work out his make-believe, even to the launching of a life boat. A couple of 'dreams' had fantastic ideas brought out in film form, and the mob scenes of colored people in Jamaica attending services of 'The Magic Man' or Voodoo were extraordinarily well manipulated, considering the calibre of 'super' the director had to handle. The minor faults of the film are not big enough to dwell upon. Renzi de Cordova looked the role of the villain and played it as well. Marguerite Hanley was the sweetheart, with little to do. John G. Haas attended to the photography. He ofttimes did daring work, such as catching the principals climbing over the rapids at a great heighth, also going down the rapids with them on low flat boats. The 'Flame of Passion,' as a five-reel release, has enough in it to hold, and can fit on a program. Mr. Terris took sufficient care of each department he was concerned in to guarantee that. His was very capable work throughout."  The book notes: "Some early vampire dramas focused more on the element of greed than on lust, making the work more of a crime film. Villainous Renzi de Cordova plots with Southern adventuress Elaine Terriss to ruin a Northerner in Tom Terriss's romantic drama, Flame of Passion (1915), set chiefly on the island of Jamaica. Tom Terriss, the intended victim, has inherited an estate in Jamaica and journeys there to settle business matters. Cordova, who is next in line to inherit the property in the event of Terriss's death, want to see his rival's destruction. Terriss immediately falls for the charms of the adventuress. Meanwhile his fiancée, Marguerite Hanley, hears about his affair and joins him in Jamaica to rescue him from the vampire's clutches. Cordova's scheme backfires when he becomes infatuated with the fiancée and kidnaps her for his own lust. His jealous lover intervenes and a struggle between them ends in the vampire's death. Terriss, now freed of the adventuress's hold on him, rescues his fiancée and they both leave for home to marry.  The article was published in 1917 so is in the public domain. The article notes: "The "Flame of Passion" will be shown today at the Star. William Lanyon, a West Indian planter, dies and leaves all of his estate to his nephew, Dick Lorient, a New York society rounder, who is engaged to be married to his cousin, Dulcie Lanyon. Dick leaves to inspect his property, and John Stark, the overseer, to whom the estate has been left in the event of Dick's death, conspires to gain possession of the property. In Jamaica, Dick meets the "Woman," and in the flame of passion, passes through rushing waters and fires of hell. How he escapes the siren's deadly fascination and the villainous scheming of Stark is depicted."  The article was published in 1915 so is in the public domain. The article notes: "Mr. Tom Terrlss, recently seen at the Columbia In "The Pursuing Shallow," will he presented tomorrow and Monday at the Columbia in his latest and greatest success, "Flame of Passion," in five acts. The popularity attained by Mr. Terriss through his wonderful acting in the pictures that he has thus far been seen in at the Columbia, is a sufficient guarantee of crowded houses when he is presented in this, his latest picture. The synopsis of "Flame of Passion" follows: William Lanyon, a West Indian planter, dies and leaves all of his estate to his nephew, Dick Lorient, a New York society rounder, who Is en-gaged to be married to his cousin, Dulcie Lanyon. Dick leaves to inspect his property and John Stark, the overseer, to whom the estate has been been left in the event of Dick's death, conspires to gain possession of the property. In Jamaica Dick meets the "Woman," and in the Flame of Passion passes through rushing waters and fires of hell. How he escapes the siren's deadly fascination and the villainous scheming of Stark Is depicted herein"  The article was published in 1915 so is in the public domain. The article notes: "Flame of Passion Barred New York, Oct. 29—The Flame of Passion, the first of the Terriss Film Corporation feature motion pictures taken in the superb surroundings of the West Indies Islands, has been barred by the censors of Pennsylvania, on the ground that they are immoral. Since these films were passed by the National Board of Censors and the New York authorities, and since there is nothing in them to compare with the daring exhibited in the numerous vampire films heretofore readily passed by the Pennsylvanians, Terriss is of the impression that perhaps the title offended the critics. He is, however, going to fight the decision in the courts, as he has these films extensively booked through the Keystone State and will suffer considerable loss should the showing be canceled."</li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Flame of Passion to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 02:38, 30 January 2022 (UTC) </li></ul> Relisting comment: Need more discussion / agreement as to whether sources found justify having a standalone article. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  11:55, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep as per the multiple reliable sources coverage identified above that show a pass of WP:GNG so that deletion is unnecessary in my view. Silent films are mainly notable due to contemporary sources and academic coverage that is offline, Atlantic306 (talk) 20:47, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - Silent films are historical artifacts, and saving this would be nice, but the present tiny entry looks like a catalog. - GizzyCatBella  🍁  10:06, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep per Cunard. Heartmusic678 (talk) 13:46, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per sources found, should be added to the article as well. Oaktree b (talk) 14:35, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per the sources found and mentioned above. This is notable enough to keep. Also add the above mentioned references to the article. ThePremiumBoy (talk) 07:28, 7 February 2022 (UTC)


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