Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Flash mob robbery


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The result was keep. Dipankan ( Have a chat? ) 11:47, 24 May 2012 (UTC) (non-admin closure)

Flash mob robbery

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Almost no lasting effects (WP:EFFECT} and was a trend term used very rarely and not consistently (WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE). It really should be listed as a type of robbery and not have its own article. It has also come to my attention that the word has come out of common usage after only a few months June 2011 to Dec 2011, and that most of the sources were Youtube links or in some cases describing other forms of robberies or thefts such as Steaming (crime). I would generally say there are very few sources to suggest this is term widespread. Mkdw talk 20:15, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. &#9733;&#9734;  DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 23:36, 17 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep seems referenced, I wasn't aware that consistency of usage was one of the 5 pillars. Greglocock (talk) 02:14, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
 * That's fine Greglocock. I would say it falls under our first pillar in that the question of notability and to be even more specific, WP:EFFECT are important aspect of this encyclopedia. Mkdw talk 00:52, 19 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep – The topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources, thus passing WP:GNG:
 * Fox News – Teenage Flash Mob Robberies on the Rise
 * NPR – Flash Mobs Aren't Just For Fun Anymore
 * The Wall Street Journal – Chicago Police Brace for 'Flash Mob' Attacks.
 * Note: This describes a mugging at a station and more closely related to Steaming (crime) than flash mob robbery -- which is not even used in the article. In fact the so called definition of flash mob robberies refer to crimes related to stores as defined in the lead article whose actual definition is not defined by any of the sources but original research based upon descriptions offered in news sources. Mkdw talk 06:48, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Please do not strike anything in other people's !votes as you did above. I undid your striking within my comment. Here's the first sentence of the article from The Wall Street Journal that I unstruck above, "CHICAGO—Police here are girding for another weekend of "flash mob" attacks after arresting 29 people in connection with a recent rash of assaults and robberies in and around the city's tony shopping and dining district." The source is now again being used in the article to verify flash mob robberies that have occurred in Chicago, Illinois. Northamerica1000(talk) 07:35, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * — Northamerica1000(talk) 03:18, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
 * — Northamerica1000(talk) 03:18, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
 * — Northamerica1000(talk) 03:18, 18 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep I removed a PROD from this because this has had sufficient press coverage and has occurred in multiple places across the USA, so it's not a one-off or local-interest-only story. --Colapeninsula (talk) 11:13, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Note To the mediator or other editors here, that the article is not being debated as 'well referenced' but rather that whether this subject is notable in its 'lasting effects' per WP:EVENTS. Quite simply if you do read up about it, very few results come up and most of them are videos on file sharing websites. The term was briefly used in 2011 and hasn't really resurged in usage since. Mkdw talk 00:48, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * However, per WP:NTEMP, "Notability is not temporary: once a topic has been the subject of "significant coverage" in accordance with the general notability guideline, it does not need to have ongoing coverage." Also, multiple occurrences have flash mob robberies have occurred in different states and at different times; it's not just one event. Northamerica1000(talk) 06:39, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:NTEMP already assumes the subject is notable. In order for it to qualify it must in fact be notable to start with which is what I'm disputing. It simply doesn't have any lasting effects to make it noteworthy. Mkdw talk 07:33, 19 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep The "lasting effects" are, now that flash mob robbery has been invented, people will continue to do it, and report on it, just as aircraft hijacking and carjacking are relatively recent types of robbery, but both continue to be well known. Anarchangel (talk) 03:07, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * In fairness the word hijack has been around for nearly a century where as the word flash mob robbery has yet to be used by a notable publication in 2012, and truly only had a four month run in 2011. Mkdw talk 06:50, 24 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment - Yet another source:
 * — Northamerica1000(talk) 08:02, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
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 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.