Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Flavor straws


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The result was withdrawn by nominator after move/merge performed -- The Anome (talk) 10:15, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Flavor straws

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Lacks notability for standalone page. ZZArch talk to me 08:25, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete, without prejudice if sources are found and the notability guidelines satisfied. CharlieEchoTango  ( contact ) 08:29, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep, but rewrite to include only fully referenced and verifiable facts -- a search on Google Books for "flavor straws" finds numerous reliable sources attesting to their existence. In particular, The Journal of the Albert Einstein Medical Center, Philadelphia, Volumes 5-6, p. 275, (1956), quote: "Flavored straws (Flav-R Straws) are now available for general use. These straws have a large diameter and are very flexible..." and Milk plant monthly, Volume 45, p. 68 (1956), quote: "New Flavored Straws For Use in Milk Drinks [...] A new type of straw with built-in flavor for use with milk drinks has been introduced by Flav-R Straws, Inc." There is also a two-page advert for the things in the 29 Jul 1957 edition of LIFE magazine, again findable via Google Books. See also Sipahh for a modern version. -- The Anome (talk) 08:38, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * How about merge to Drinking straw? ZZArch talk to me 08:53, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Possibly, but I think they are sufficiently distinct to deserve their own article -- there seem to have been other brands at various times, and the U.S. Patent Office seems to have an entire classification category for patents about flavor straws. -- The Anome (talk) 08:55, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Drinking straw already offers an overview of different types of straws, and I see nothing special about flavored straws that merits a separate page. ZZArch talk to me 08:59, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Flav-R-Straws seem to have been a big phenomenon at the time in the U.S., and there seems to be massive nostalgia about them, with a huge number of references on the Web. If we can have an article for Sipahhs, we can certainly have one for Flav-R-Straws, and I would suggest also for the whole category, of which there seem to be at least three variants that have been marketed. Even if we are going to merge the general concept of "flavor straws" into the drinking straw article, if we keep the Sipahhs article (as we should!), we should at least keep a stand-alone article about the genre-defining first product itself. -- The Anome (talk) 09:10, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * That a brand of a particular type of product is notable does not in itself mean that type itself is notable enough to be given a separate article. For example, that the iPad (obviously notable) is a "glossy white-bordered capacitive touch-screen touchpad" does not mean we need to create a separate article for the latter. If we can prove that flavored straws have enduring notability, supported by secondary and reliable sources, then that is a different matter. ZZArch talk to me 09:18, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I take your point. I suggest then that we move this article about the specific product to Flav-R-Straws, and merge the generic content to drinking straw for the time being (including suitably adjusting the redirect Flavouring straws). By the way, regarding the notability of Flav-R-Straws, I found a contemporary article, "CHOCOLATE STRAW FINDS BIG MARKET; Sales Up Sharply for Product That Gives Flavor to Milk Sucked Through It", by Joseph W. Dunn, New York Times August 19, 1956, Business & Finance section, page 139, entirely about the company, which was clearly quite a big phenomenon at the time. If you agree, I propose that we speedy close this AfD process, and do this now.-- The Anome (talk) 09:21, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good plan, and I will withdraw the nomination after you perform the actions. ZZArch talk to me 09:30, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- The Anome (talk) 09:50, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You may wish to consider rewriting Flav-R-Straws so that they talk about the product specifically; and add reliable sources. ZZArch talk to me 09:59, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that: I've just noticed I left the editing of the renamed article half-finished. I've fixed it now. -- The Anome (talk) 10:08, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Withdrawn nomination: Current version looks fine to me. ZZArch talk to me 10:13, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.