Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Flea Market Montgomery


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The result was   it's just like, it's just like, a no consensus. the wub "?!"  12:42, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Flea Market Montgomery

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WP:WEB, WP:CORP, WP:NOT, oh no! This don't pass 'em, not the Market. I'm talkin' 'bout Flea Market. Montgomery. It's just like, it's just like, a mini-mall! &mdash;/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 07:53, 13 August 2008 (UTC) (note this is a serious AfD, I just decided to take some liberties with the nomination) &mdash;/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 07:59, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Alabama-related deletion discussions.   -- &mdash;/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 07:53, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Malls-related deletion discussions.   -- &mdash;/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 07:54, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per nom. The nom only gave reasons to keep this.  Besides being the subject of in depth secondary sources (including The Associated Press and The Ellen DeGeneres Show),    the core criteria of WP:NOTABILITY, WP:WEB and WP:CORP (don't know why the nom threw in WP:NOT), it's had well over 3 million youtube views  . Add another million with all the variants and parodies. --Oakshade (talk) 09:02, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply Specifically, I was referring to WP:IINFO, WP:NOTADVOCATE; the content of the article is little more than a WP:COATRACK biased towards discussing the meme, which I still suggest is of questionable notability. &mdash;/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 09:32, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep as article subject has been the focus if significant coverage in several local and national reliable third-party sources. The meme itself is well-referenced and while the article could use further expansion it appears to meet the verifiability and notability standards. - Dravecky (talk) 09:55, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete If it were a small shopping center or minimall, and without the claimed viral video fame, it would doubtless get deleted. 3 million views of a YouTube video does not confer automatic notability. It has coverage in the local paper and in a paper from a neighboring state. The entrepreneur managed to get on a TV show because of the ad video, which argues more for his notability, or for the "catchy jingle's" than for the flea market's. In fact many refs call it the "worst commercial" ever rather than a "catchy" jingle.(It's just like, it's just like..being waterboarded.". to listen to the "catchy jingle.") Edison (talk) 20:51, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The Associated Press and The Ellen DeGeneres Show, in addition to VH1 which did a long piece on this, are all national media. Even putting aside the national in-depth coverage this has received, there is no "local sources don't count" clause anywhere in WP:NOTABILITY or WP:SOURCES.  While the reason for this establishment's notability is quite silly ("worst commercial" claim for instance), that doesn't mean it's not notable.  The 3 million-plus youtube hits is only additional evidence of notability, not the core reason for it.   --Oakshade (talk) 22:28, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No notability has been shown for the almost-like-a-minimall, just for the catchy jingle. Notability is not inherited. Edison (talk) 00:57, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Nobody is claiming there's an inherent notability with this topic. The topic, catchy jingle or not, is notable because it's been the in-depth subject of multiple secondary reliable sources.  If it was not, your WP:NOTINHERITED point would be valid.  --Oakshade (talk) 01:22, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The mall gets passing mention in national/interstate coverage of the jingle. The mall lacks evidence of notability. The only discussion of the mall is routing pro forma coverage in local papers, and such coverage has not saved other articles about small shopping centers. Read the references: they are about the performer or the jingle, not the mall. Write and article about the performer, or an article about the jingle. Edison (talk) 14:36, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You are partially correct that the business is famous because of the commercial and jingle, but that doesn't mean the business isn't famous. It's impossible to separate the flea market and the commercial, as flea market is what the the commercial is about.  Besides "local" publications being acceptable to WP:NOTABILITY, two of the publications listed in the article are not local.  Knoxville, TN is over 300 miles from Mongomery with several media markets in between (Atlanta, Birmingham and Chattanooga for examples).  And the Canadian CityNews of course isn't local to Montgomery either. --Oakshade (talk) 15:03, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep - as per Oakshade's excellent explanation of satisfaction of WP:N Exit2DOS2000   •T•C•  03:06, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete Nothing notable about the market itself. This is a self perpetuating publicity cycle, where the inclusion in Wikipedia itself will guarantee another 1 million YouTube views which shall be used to justify its retention here. Annette46 (talk) 08:43, 19 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.