Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Flesh (musician)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 10:13, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Flesh (musician)

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. Not the easiest name to search for, but even in conjunction with the names of various releases there doesn't appear to be any coverage of this artist in reliable third-party sources. Current sources are the artist's own Bandcamp and Soundcloud sites and the YouTube channel of his record label, and there doesn't seem to be anything better than this online. Richard3120 (talk) 20:26, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Richard3120 (talk) 20:27, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Richard3120 (talk) 20:27, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Richard3120 (talk) 20:27, 16 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete a non-notable musician.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:42, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, thank you for bringing up the suggestion to delete the article. Granted, Flesh is not the most covered artist in history. I didn't know the standard for how notability is measured on Wikipedia (I understand it better now). When I created the article, I thought that several million views on one platform alone in theory warranted a dedicated article for the artist, especially given that comments have been left on the artist's music videos requesting additional information. Of course, this is not the same as third-party coverage. That said, now may indeed not necessarily be the best time to include this article in the main namespace for the reason you mentioned. I'd be happy to hear any other thoughts on the matter. Thanks again for reviewing! Thraex64 (talk) 20:47, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Thraex64, pretty much any artist nowadays can get millions of views on YouTube, so it's not really anything out of the ordinary. Per WP:NOTDIR and WP:INDISCRIMINATE, Wikipedia isn't a place to just place album track listings just to provide information without context – there are plenty of other sources like Amazon or iTunes or Discogs which provide this service. Richard3120 (talk) 21:04, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Richard3120, understood- thanks again. Perhaps the current content can serve as a basis for a future article should the need for it arise. Sorry for the trouble, feel free to delete the article as I don't know how to.
 * No problem – you can read WP:MUSICBIO for the notability requirements and WP:RS to understand what kind of sources are required for an article. You can keep the content in the sandbox section in your user page to work on it there, or as a draft article, but if it's in draftspace it will be deleted after six months if you haven't worked on it. The AfD will run its course and the article will be deleted once it's completed. Richard3120 (talk) 21:27, 16 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete - In agreement with the nominator. The musician's bland name makes searching difficult, but a search for his various albums reveals no reliable coverage of any of them or the musician himself. All that can be found are his own self-promotions and social media. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 20:59, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi DOOMSDAYER520, thank you for your input. The lack of coverage certainly didn't go unnoticed when I created the article. However given that some articles about related artists seem to be based almost entirely (if not entirely) on self-promoted sources or a type of circular-reporting, I wanted to give it a try as I've looked for the article myself on Wikipedia (and no doubt have other people). But in principle I agree that it doesn't meet the requirements to be in the main namespace at this time. In the meantime, the draft can be developed here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Flesh_(musician) Thraex64 (talk) 21:44, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Remember that Wikipedia is an all-volunteer site, so if there are other articles with the same deficiencies as this one, that merely means that nobody has noticed them yet. If you happen to see an article that is propped up with unreliable sources, you could try to improve it or even nominate it for deletion yourself. Sorry your attempt at an article for this musician isn't working out, but you are already contributing. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 23:28, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
 * It's certainly unlikely to go unnoticed and that's a good thing. To be fair I haven't found any articles that would perfectly meet the criteria for deletion as I understand it but then again I'm relatively new to editing. Thanks again in any case! Thraex64 (talk) 23:49, 17 June 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.