Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Florian Bittner


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The result was delete. Passing WP:NFOOTY without also passing WP:GNG isn't a valid argument for keeping. Reliable independent sources are required, and none could be found. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:55, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Florian Bittner

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While the subject passes NFOOTY by the dint of single appearance in the first team of a 3.Liga team (the rest of the season he was in the reserves) - NFOOTY merely creates a presumption of notability that GNG is met. In this particular case, after a through review of available sourcing I am quite convinced that the footballer does not come close to having SIGCOV. Please note that there is a Dr. hab Florian Bittner (das ist sein linkedin) who would seem to pass NACADEMIC(1) - however is clearly (age) a different individual.

A note to keep voters - "Keep per NFOOTY" is not sufficient. Please point out to "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" (no - interviews and releases by the club do not count).Icewhiz (talk) 13:42, 18 February 2019 (UTC) Icewhiz (talk) 13:42, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
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 * Keep - meets WP:NFOOTBALL and likely meets WP:GNG with sources such as this. A German-speaker needed to help out with more. Has nominator complied with WP:BEFORE other than a cursory Google search? Obviously not. Article needs improving, not deleting. Good summary of career here which might assist with finding more sources. GiantSnowman 14:45, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * fupa.net merely has a list of appearances in non-professional teams. As for www.merkur.de - I found this in my BEFORE, and alluded to this in my nomination - "interviews and releases by the club do not count" - this is an interview with the subject (and quite possibly PR flap by the club) on his joining the 3.Liga team - and thus is not an independent source. Unless you actually produce multiple in-depth reliable sources here (which is quite unlikely seeing this player spent a single season with the 3.Liga team (and that - mainly in the reserves, making a single appearance) - then no - we can not assume GNG. Icewhiz (talk) 15:00, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - This is a stub, the article needs improving and not deleting - Passes WP:NFOOTBALL JMHamo (talk) 15:07, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep This is a bad faith nomination, nominator didn't even check the German wikipedia for the player. Govvy (talk) 09:43, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
 * The nominator actually did check the dewiki entry - and found no sources there that would establish WP:GNG. Icewhiz (talk) 09:49, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Having had another review of the article, the player is 27 and playing in non-league football, I thought there was a bit for him, but there isn't enough for WP:GNG, WP:SIGCOV. Govvy (talk) 16:29, 19 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete - article about semi-pro footballer who made one 90-minute appearance in the fully-pro German 3.Liga several years ago. Although the interview published by Rheinischer Merkur (which appears to have been conducted by a football blogger) appears to be significant coverage, nothing else suggests this article would ever pass the GNG. Kicker has a profile page but zero articles even mentioning Bittner. Based on prior consensus (Articles for deletion/Phakamani Mngadi), a footballer who has a nominal amount of play in a fully-pro league such as this doesn't pass WP:NFOOTBALL if the article comprehensively fails the GNG. Jogurney (talk) 15:39, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
 * If you've acknowledged there is significant coverage how does it fail GNG? GiantSnowman 19:34, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
 * "There is no fixed number of sources required since sources vary in quality and depth of coverage, but multiple sources are generally expected." I've always read this as requiring significant coverage from more than one WP:RS. We don't have that here. Jogurney (talk) 19:36, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Interviews are also generally seen as primary and non-independent - and usually do not count towards GNG.Icewhiz (talk) 19:41, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: The claims of notability through NFOOTY are tenuous at best. Yes, he passes the SNG, but only just and is now playing at a less notable level. However, there is also the suggestion, through the provision of a single significant interview that there may be wider GNG in this instance. Given that these sources will almost certainly not be in english language, there seems no harm in extending the discussion to allow for additional searching to establish a firmer consensus.
 * Delete. We are way too inclusionist of the one-sentence 'touched a ball' articles. The sport-spam-flood needs to be pruned. WP:NFOOTBALL and related guidelines contradict GNG and should be nuked. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:30, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down (talk) 13:37, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Appearance is not notability— even for sport. Trillfendi (talk) 21:37, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak keep Multiple feature articles in merkur.de. Several before searches show there's a lot of coverage on him generally, not a lot of significant coverage, but coverage you'd expect from someone who plays in a football league with a decent amount of coverage. It's not the clearest WP:GNG pass, and I could see this going either way, but I do think collectively there's enough information out there with the feature stories and continual other mentions (not just game coverage) to get him over the line. SportingFlyer  T · C  22:43, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
 * please link to specific pieces (the best 3-4) - asserting sources exist without specifying which sources - is not sufficient.Icewhiz (talk) 00:10, 27 February 2019 (UTC)


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