Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Florian Peek


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The result was   delete. Cirt (talk) 00:10, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Florian Peek

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Non-notable person. Self-published saxophone instruction book does not quite bring notability. Dutch Improv "group" seems to consist of the subject himself. All references are primary sources, either to the subject's instructional blog or the Dutch Improv site. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 13:28, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete: Web search (both for real name and alias) yields self-published stuff and some blog/forum hits. News search comes up with this, but it only mentions his name in passing.  Not sufficient to demonstrate notability.  Favonian (talk) 14:09, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: this is a Dutch article naming Florian Peek as a nominee for the Title of Business hunk 2008, a dutch prise for young male entrepreneurs --Marcus Left (talk) 14:48, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: According to the Google translation of the article, it is a local competition to determine who is the best-looking entrepreneur. Hardly a claim of notability.  And he didn't even win!  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:35, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
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 * I think the source from saxontheweb: (http://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?t=115476) (James writes under the name Tenor Harry here) clearly indicates notability. Plus I know (since I'm myself one of his readers/students) that he distributes a bi montly newsletter to over 2000 saxophone students who are spread across the globe. Within a specific instruments community that is a lot. I read this number in a discussion online somewhere but I'm unable to re-locate the thread so far (will keep searching for it).


 * One of his videos shows up number one on Google for the query: learning to play the saxophone.


 * The dutch improv website clearly shows over 20 members, many of whom have added photo's or massages, have registered friendships with other members. and appear in the video's together. Plus it has an active events-agenda that seems consistently filled with a weekly workshop since the start.


 * The dutch Saxforum.nl shows 73 threads started by him.


 * So I think he's definitely a noticeable person within in the saxophone community.


 * I have edited the links to the better Wikipedia formating using the Thanks for the tip ;)!  --Marcus Left (talk) 14:48, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Marcus Left's comments re-indented for clarity. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:06, 8 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment Taking these points one by one:
 * SaxOnTheWeb: First of all, who is "James"? We're talking about Florian Peek here.  Secondly, the fact that a person writes an entry on a public forum hardly amounts to notability.

Comment Well: James Dóxx and Florian Peek are obviously the same person. I filed the entry under his real name because I thought that would be more appropriate, but perhaps something could be said for moving/renaming it to James Dóxx and omitting any business stuff since in that field he is indeed not notable--Marcus Left (talk) 16:17, 8 January 2010 (UTC).
 * A prominent placement on a Google search is not a sign of notability, it's only a sign that he has a video called "learning to play the saxophone".
 * 73 threads on a public forum does not confer notability, it only means that he is verbose.

Comment Correct, but in a relatively small community of saxophone players can being verbose and published not indeed constitute being notable? --Marcus Left (talk) 16:22, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Please truly understand the concept of notability for people, including the need for reliable sources cited from non-primary sources. This means that the subject's blog writings and Youtube postings are not a means of attesting notability. If Peek has been the subject of some independent coverage (a magazine or newspaper article) this would be considered significant coverage.  Even mention in a well-respected blog that is known for journalistic controls (editorial review, fact-checking, etc) would possible do.  But some chatter in some forums is not sufficient.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:06, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Comment I understand. Thanks for you explanation. A leading British Online instrument store (www.Karacha.com) includes his method with several of their beginner Alto saxophones: (http://www.karacha.com/Carmichael-Evolution-Alto-Saxophone-Ultimate-Starter-Mega-Pack) quote from their site"...#Hello Saxophone - A Learn to Play the Saxophone Course which has been described as "elegant in its simplicity" and "incredibly intelligent...."

I'll search for some mentions in saxophone magazines (it's just that there are very few nitch magzines for the sax, and Sax on the web is really considered The international online place for all things saxophone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcus Left (talk • contribs) 16:43, 8 January 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Timotheus Canens (talk) 02:07, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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