Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Florida Junior Classical League


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. WP:CORP applies clearly - local coverage of local chapters does not create significant notability ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 10:31, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Florida Junior Classical League

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Non-notable state chapter of the NJCL. There are no external references and it does not pass WP:CLUB. Coverage is only local in scope and the limited sourced encyclopedic information is better presented in a sub-list of the main article, per WP:CLUB. Reywas92 Talk 23:06, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep I appreciate that these have been nominated separately, because some of the articles have more content than others. The state chapters of the NJCL each have their own annual conventions, and many of those competitions get significant coverage in the press .  While someone will note that "it's only within the state", I see no difference between this and Florida High School Athletic Association, which, in turn, is a member of the National Federation of State HSAAs.  Mandsford 15:51, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. There's a difference between being a member of a federation and being a local chapter. Occational minor local news mentions are not notability, nor do they exclude the possibility of a merged list. Reywas92 Talk 18:25, 23 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep Multiple non-primary non-local reliable sources demonstrating notability can easily be found using the news search button at the top of this AFD discussion. I have included a few (finding these took less than 2 minutes):
 * Example 1 – written by Orlando Sentinel staff writer
 * Example 2 – written by Orlando Sentinel staff writer
 * Example 3 – Central Tampa News & Tribune staff writer via TBO.com
 * Example 4 Tampa Tribune staff writer
 * Example 5 Tampa Tribune staff writer
 * Daytona Beach News staff writer
 * Additionally, the user who nominated this article for deletion contends that a single article for the National organization's state chapters would be more appropriate than individual articles for each (major part of his/her argument for deleting this page). The National Junior Classical League has 51 state-level chapters in the U.S. and Canada.  Even with limited content devoted to each of these 51 chapters, a single article would likely reach beyond an acceptable article size. WP:SIZE
 * I also wish to highlight the nominating user's previous actions regarding this individual state chapter pages v. a single group state chapter page, namely redirecting each of the ten or so existing state chapter pages to the group state chapter page he/she created, all w/o any discussion. MisterE2123Five6 (talk) 23:26, 24 May 2010 (UTC) NOTE: User:MisterE2123Five6 appears to have made few or no contributions outside of this topic; it is hard to tell since he/she has posted under multiple usernames.
 * These, especially this and this, would not be considered "substantial", which is part of the requirements for notability. Even with some pay-per-view articles, there is nothing preventing the list as described at WP:CLUB. Please do not make stuff up hypothesizing about the length of a convenient merged list. Although there are 51 state chapters, only a fraction of them even attend nationals, have conventions, or even have a web site. The length of the list is perfectly acceptable so let's wait until it actually does reach excessive length to split it. BTW, previous actions may have been hasty but should bear absolutely no effect on the public discussion now. Reywas92 Talk 23:48, 24 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep See my comments here for my rationale. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 19:19, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. Local news stories do not cut it, and this has been confirmed as the consensus yet again at WP:CORP. Also, what encylopedic information is provided in the article? None. Abductive  (reasoning) 09:03, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Individual chapters of a national organization do not get their own article unless there has been extraordinary notability for that one particular chapter. That is not the case here; coverage appears routine and local. (Mister#2123Five6 claimed to have found lots of "non-local" coverage, yet every article listed is from Florida.) The activities of my Kiwanis club get a lot of local press; shall I create an article about it? and every other Kiwanis club in the country? --MelanieN (talk) 17:10, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * BTW this is not just my opinion; this is policy. Quoting from WP:GROUP, "Aim for one good article, not multiple permanent stubs: Individual chapters, divisions, departments, and other sub-units of notable organizations are only rarely notable enough to warrant a separate article. Information on chapters and affiliates should normally be merged into the article about the parent organization." --MelanieN (talk) 03:22, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.