Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Florida State–Georgia Tech football rivalry


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The result was delete--Ymblanter (talk) 07:43, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Florida State–Georgia Tech football rivalry

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This is not a rivalry, it is merely a series of games between two teams who have played in the same conference for a little more than two decades. Fails WP:GNG and other applicable criteria. THEowner of a l l 23:11, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
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 * Comment Only the first two references appear to discuss this rivalry. The second is promising, suggesting the rivalry has existed for a while (The late 1990's was an especially heated time for the rivalry but more on that later.), and going into great detail about its history, but there needs to be more coverage per WP:GNG. clpo13(talk) 20:14, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment If this is a notable rivalry, it would have been so only when they were playing annually (i.e. 1992–2003). So the absence of internet references describing the rivalry doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't a notable rivalry at its peak (and notability is not temporary), and the answer probably lies in contemporary print references. Aspirex (talk) 21:47, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete I wanted to keep it, but I just don't see the sources at this time. If they are found and presented, I will reconsider.--Paul McDonald (talk) 02:33, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

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 * Delete - Non-notable college football "rivalry" -- to characterize this series as a traditional CFB rivalry is a huge misnomer. In the early years of the series, after FSU became a co-ed university and started its football program in the late 1940s, Georgia Tech scheduled FSU as a minor opponent to fill its non-SEC (and later, independent) schedule every two or three years.  FSU was the proverbial "homecoming opponent," and Georgia Tech dominated the first 8 games with 7 wins and a tie.  Since FSU joined the ACC in 1992, FSU has dominated the series 14–3.  Circumstances had changed in the intervening years; Tech had waned as a national program, and was only an occasional conference contender, whereas FSU had evolved into a perennial national power and became the immediately dominant team upon joining the ACC.  In assessing the "intangibles" that are characteristic of meaningful rivalries, this has not been a particularly competitive series, or one made meaningful by competition for championships, and the players, alumni and fans do not perceive the universities and/or teams to be significant rivals on any level.  For FSU, its biggest rivals are Florida, Miami and to a lesser extent, Clemson; Georgia Tech's biggest rival remains Georgia, with ACC rivals Clemson and Virginia Tech far behind.  For a sample of alumni and fans' current perceptions of this series as a "rivalry," this survey is instructive: .  With 16 games played in the 23 years since FSU joined the ACC in 1992, this series is barely a blip on the "rivalry" radar of either fan base.


 * Someone will inevitably argue that the best ACC years of this series were the pre-internet 1990s; that's a red herring -- most of that coverage is readily available either online freely or through the major online newspaper archive services. As a modern era in-conference series, this "rivalry" should be held to the highest level of notability scrutiny with truly significant coverage in multiple independent, reliable sources per the general notability guidelines of WP:GNG.  That kind of consistent significant coverage of this series as a "rivalry" is lacking, and this is a good place to start pruning the bloated category of purported college football "rivalries" that even the respective fans and alumni don't recognize as such.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 08:35, 5 December 2015 (UTC)


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