Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Florida State Road 678


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS. Owen&times; &#9742;  00:37, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Florida State Road 678
I've been driving that particular stretch of road for something like a decade, and I never knew it was a numbered state road. Now I know and I still don't care. Seriously, this is half a mile! Half a mile of a road that doesn't even have it's own article and probably doesn't deserve one. Gamaliel 04:29, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. It's pretty hard to imagine many half-mile rural roads that do deserve their own article. I have no difficulty accepting Gamaliel's judgement that this doesn't.  The article does nothing to convince otherwise. Superm401 | Talk 04:56, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. Well, we do have an article on Vermont State Highway 26, which beats Florida State Road 678 hands-down. VT-26 is 53 feet (0.01 mi.) in total length! &bull;DanMS 05:05, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Wow. -TimL 19:55, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak delete. I'm not against state road articles if there's something to say about them besides their location and size. This article seems more like an excuse for a picture. Can it at least lay claim to being the shortest Florida state route (like Highway 26 in Vermont)? ~ Jeff Q (talk) 05:09, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete; lacking notability; see Roads and streets and B_roads_in_the_United_Kingdom ; recurring problem not likely to go away, especially since there are so many road pages and projects out there. Peyna 05:24, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I noticed a large number of Florida State Roads that are in the same league as this one: small, not notable, and provide no real information.  So, I think many more need to follow FSR-678. (Notorious4life 06:08, 28 November 2005 (UTC))
 * Perhaps we could encourage the editors creating them to merge them all into one single list. Gamaliel 06:25, 28 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep. It is a part of the Florida State Roads project, which in itself is notable.  Currently the project is less than one-third complete. B.Wind 06:32, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
 * The Florida State Roads Project is notable? News to me. --Calton | Talk 02:18, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Apparently so, per the discussion for Articles for deletion/Florida State Road 300 three months ago. The arguments haven't changed, but the road has. B.Wind 04:33, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep because "size doesn't matter" :). Seriously, give it the benefit of the doubt as per B.Wind. Someone also went to the trouble of taking a picture, which is a lot more than can be said for other stubs. Turnstep 07:07, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete Same reasoning as JeffQ HackJandy 07:30, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep as per Articles for deletion/Precedents. All highways should be mentioned. Zordrac 08:01, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Does a Florida State Road really meet the precedent as a highway? I would take that precedent as referring to limited access highways since the other qualifying word is "Interstates". Peyna 13:33, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
 * The precedent states "Highways and interstates." State signed and maintained roads are "highways." The word "highway" long predates the Interstate system. See Lincoln Highway. FCYTravis 05:44, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Articles on numbered highways are OK. This article isn't all that bad, with a picture and a fair description of why the road was built. Sjakkalle (Check!)  09:28, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep If there are enough people interested in roads to produce a complete guide to roads there is no harm in incorporating one into wikipedia. CalJW 10:13, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. A stretch of tarmac. Doesn't get any more non-notable than that. --Last Malthusian 10:21, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Real, numbered state highway. Youngamerican 13:42, 28 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete: It's a half a mile. If I can walk it in 15 minutes, it's probably not much of a road.  Having a description of the road in a larger article is fine, but having individual articles on what are actually segments seems wasteful and useless. Geogre 17:48, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
 * One can run the one famous block of Lombard Street, San Francisco in a minute. FCYTravis 05:46, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
 * True, but as you say, it's famous. Used to be that was one of the criteria for being included in an encyclopaedia. And cat food cost 50p a tin too. --Last Malthusian 09:18, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
 * "Famous" hasn't been a requirement since every elementary school this side of Pokemon started getting a consensus to keep. I'm a general deletionist but I won't allow state highways (even minor state highways) to be seen as less noteworthy or important or encyclopedic than the private K-8 school I attended a decade ago. Yes, I'm biased, I like roads and highways and I think their impact on our culture is underrated. This half-mile state highway has as much claim to encyclopedicity as Addison Elementary School. The fact that Florida State Road 678 was built as a connector route between other major highways is at least as interesting as the fact that Addison Elementary School holds a Harvest Hoedown and has a Book Fair. FCYTravis 10:09, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. There's ample precedent that if a road in the U.S. is a state highway and is numbered in a statewide (rather than merely countywide) system, it deserves its own article. Doctor Whom 18:53, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Verifiable, part of an ongoing project. - SimonP 19:02, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Let's make an article on every road in Spain too, eh? It would just take a couple of GB of wikipedia's space. That was sarcasm, by the way. FFS.


 * Delete. The only reason I wrote this was because there is a table on another page that lists every Florida State Road. It is completely stupid that they even have signs. It's just beuraucratic. -TimL Article creator.


 * Delete. Even the author doesn't think it's worth keeping; I agree with other arguments brought forward against the article. Also, I don't see how being part of a noteable project justifies an extra article. Kreydon 21:48, 28 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep: It doesn't bother me that this will never be a particularly long or informational article. It's relatively verifiable, and it exists, and the article doesn't cause any noticable harm (namespace collisions, etc.), so as long as it's been written, I think it should stay. -- Creidieki


 * Delete. Am I going to have to drag out the Borges quote again? --Calton | Talk 02:18, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
 * If it's relevant to your argument about why this article should be deleted, then it would be helpful, yes. Comments on AfD should contain a rationale.  -- Creidieki 03:03, 29 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Shorter than some driveways. No notable locations along it. If this can be merged someplace, great. But it does not merit its own article. Delete. D e nni &#9775;  05:24, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep all numbered state, U.S. and Interstate highways. FCYTravis 05:41, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. I've done articles on state highways that are shorter than this one.  (Yep, I'm just inviting that they get AfD'd, too...) -- Grev 06:59, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep roads numbered at the state level. --SPUI (talk) 19:42, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep: The precident is long set that all numbered roads at a state and national level are useful. --Analogdemon (talk) 19:51, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Darn it, I knew I shouldn't have taken that picture, tips the scales doesn't it? Makes this article seem 50% worthwhile and 50% worthless. If you delete this article the 5 seconds it took me to snap the picture with my cell phone camera well be rendered meaningless! (just trying to inject some humor here, carry on) TimL 02:22, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment - That's a cell phone camera pic? Wow, nice job! I didn't know they were putting DSLRs on cell phones now :p FCYTravis 06:01, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Unless the lack of credible sources is remedied, this appears to violate Verifiability-- red stucco 11:03, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
 * It's certainly verifiable; the Florida Department of Transportation has GIS data (effectively maps) online that show the road as described. --SPUI (talk) 23:13, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Great. Please cite your sources in the article. (hence the UNLESS in my vote) -- red stucco 09:22, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, this is a highway by legal technicality only. People should not forfeit their judgement based on a nonexistent school consensus. Gazpacho 23:45, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Nonexistent? Watch/schoolwatch/Votes for_deletion archive suggests otherwise. FCYTravis 03:54, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. State road+shortest=encylopedic.  Vegaswikian 07:40, 1 December 2005 (UTC)


 * 'Comment': I dutifully added a reference to the 'article'. TimL 15:52, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
 * That reference is a joke. All you have proved is that there exists a road with a number in Florida. This is not seriously worth an article. Read this email about Notability -- red stucco 09:08, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Then you will be equally dispeased with the other two references that I added to it. 147.70.242.21 19:10, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I would point out, Red stucco, that your deletion argument above was based solely on the fact that the article, as it was, was not verified with reliable sources. That argument has been answered. If you wish to argue that the article should be deleted on "notability" grounds, by all means feel free to make your case, but the article no longer violates Verifiability. FCYTravis 01:37, 3 December 2005 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.