Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Florinel Enache


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The result was   no consensus to delete -- Y not? 18:06, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Florinel Enache

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Interesting contradiction here: normally this would be NOT MEMORIAL or NOT NEWS, but he was awarded a national medal, apparently the "2nd highest medal for people without higher education"  DGG ( talk ) 14:14, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete. Romania differentiates between honours for people with and without higher education? Weird! But this is an NCO who has been wounded and awarded (as far as I can work out, given the number of grades of the higher orders) the nineteenth highest honour of his country. Not really notable enough. -- Necrothesp (talk) 19:10, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
 * That's some stupid English translation. He received the medal "clasa I, cu însemn de război, pentru militari", which means "1st class, in action (war participation), for military personnel". 86.121.18.17 (talk) 23:32, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * He has in depth national press coverage in Romania, with which this page clearly passes WP:GNG. I don't know if this page should be deleted as WP:BLP1E though. 86.121.18.17 (talk) 23:25, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Normally he should be mentioned on the Romanian Army in Afghanistan or something like that. But no such page seems to exist here. 86.121.18.17 (talk) 23:36, 6 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I suppose the dispassionate argument here would be that a US soldier in a similar situation would not have received that kind of press coverage. In Romania there were a few short press articles when he was wounded, for instance . And in the wake of this he became a bit of cause celebre for the Romanian diaspora in the US surely helped by his long stay at Walter Reed. Then the US administration, via their embassy in Romania, released those Obama photos (apparently on the 2nd Obama visit), creating the 2nd major wave of press coverage in Romania. Finally the 3rd major wave was upon his return to Romania and being decorated by Basescu. These last two events were a few days apart; some papers covered them in separate articles. Never mind related coverage like the defense minister visiting Enache's home village to check out his future accommodations . There were also some side stories in the Romanian press, not exactly PR stunts, like the fact that the Romanian government apparently had to approve a new unqualified garbageman post for his son, who apparently had not obtained his high-school diploma at the time; this bit was in the local news, but I hope you get the idea on the level of interest his story got ... There were a few other articles on various details like how much his wheelchair costed and who paid for it, interviews with the neighbors in village, etc. For comparison, given their relatively low number and immediate disclosure by the authorities, most Romanian KIAs in Afghanistan have had at least one wave of reasonably detailed press articles, e.g. Petre Tiberius had, sans Obama photo but with posthumous decoration by Basescu. The wounded have generally not been individually covered by the Romanian press, until this case, and certainly not to this level. I don't know if the unusually high media interest in Enache's case translates into long-term encyclopedic interest... 86.121.18.17 (talk) 10:26, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Non-english sources need to be checked, has a claim of notability and received coverage internationally for a singular event, but the assumed bulk of coverage is non-English. This presumption is my reasoning for holding off a delete; Google has a major blindspot on international coverage. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 19:54, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, L Faraone  02:18, 8 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep. Doesn't meet WP:SOLDIER but the coverage described above seems to go beyond WP:ROUTINE so I think this meets WP:GNG. Dricherby (talk) 09:48, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - I should think Obama has visited hundreds of injured servicemen.Deb (talk) 15:14, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep I see this article meeting WP:GNG and the coverage does extend beyond WP:ROUTINE as pointed out by User:Dricherby, it just needs some cleanup and some more sources, which can be gotten easily, it seems. See WP:PRESERVE. No reason to trash an article such as this. Jguy TalkDone 18:00, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
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