Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Flush (Head song)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. If it does chart, let me know and I'll restore the article. Wizardman 17:07, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Flush (Head song)

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Contested redirect of non-notable, forthcoming song. Fails WP:MUSIC. Mdsummermsw (talk) 19:59, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep - The song is the first single from Head's new album, and will be on the charts after July 8. It is notable because it has been performed by Korn ex-guitarist Head, who's work has been kept secret for a long time.  This is the first song he's announced and the first single for his new album, and will receive airplay and chart after July 8.  dude527 (talk) 20:19, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - If/when it charts, it will be notable. Until then, per WP:MUSIC, it isn't. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 20:46, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - Why don't we keep it until it charts then? To me it doesn't make sense to delete something we know will be notable within a couple of weeks.  That just means we'll have to re-create the page. dude527 (talk) 20:55, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Because there's no guarantee that it will chart. JeremyMcCracken (talk) (contribs) 03:19, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. --Thetrick (talk) 21:19, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  22:42, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:MUSIC. Masterpiece2000   ( talk ) 02:45, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - I can't tell you how many articles there are for singles that didn't chart, or did but have absolutely no mention of chart position. True, most songs do not merit an article and should redirect to another relevant article, but I believe songs that are uniquely sold as singles separate from the collective whole are, in fact, notable. Vixen Windstorm (talk) 19:57, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Then nominate them for deletion (but I know what you mean) Faradayplank (talk) 01:56, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom & WP:FUTURE "Individual scheduled or expected future events should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place. ... speculation about it must be well documented." The only link is a myspace page, surely there is some more press about this. Recreate it after it is notable, if it becomes so. Faradayplank (talk) 01:56, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment, why does the template even exist if  articles for future singles are slapped with AfDs. The template even reads, "It may contain information of a speculative nature and the content could change as the single release approaches and more information becomes available." Even then, there's nothing speculative in the article. The song is confirmed as a single, its release date has been confirmed, a sample actually exists. Where is the false or speculative information in this article? Vixen Windstorm (talk) 21:38, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Go look up single on Wikipedia. A single is a song packaged with 2 or 3 other songs to promote the album it is being released on. Before the internet existed, singles had their own package, including cover art, a track listing page, even a booklet and a CD. Singles should not be considered as songs, but as albums in themselves. I believe we should keep the article, because it is now titled "Flush (single)". dude527 (talk) 00:23, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * *Comment Let me explain this better. This article is in no way notable as a song, at all.  It fails WP:MUSIC and should be deleted.  However, this article is not about a song, it's about a single.  A single is a song, usually packaged with 2 or 3 other songs, released prior to an album, to promote that album.  Singles are released as actual CDs, with jewel cases, lyric booklets, a track listing, an actual CD, basically released as a CD, not a song.  In this aspect, the article is notable, because it isn't about a single song, but about a single, which, by actual definition, is like an album, with multiple songs.  However, this article's standpoint is somewhat blurred because this single will be released exclusively to iTunes, and will likely not have any other tracks packaged with it.  Still, it has it's own album cover art, and a track listing, and under the album section, it will say "Flush - Single", which means that this should not be an article about a song, but a single, which are two very different things, if you do your research.  dude527 (talk) 18:56, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete-does not meet criteria for notability/inclusion per WP:MUSIC Also, regarding the argument that other non-notable single articles exist and that is why this one is OK: WP: TWO-WRONGS.--Finalnight (talk) 23:51, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment, funny guy. Anyways, this article is for an album single, not a regular song. WP:MUSIC#SONG is in need of a serious rewrite and inclusion of the notability of singles. Vixen Windstorm (talk) 10:43, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: I try to keep things light hearted, its prevents wiki-stress. A rewrite of WP:MUSIC#SONG is outside the scope of this afd, but you should submit a proposal for discussion on Village Pump or something. As it stands, this article should be deleted--Finalnight (talk) 15:40, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


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