Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Flutter Frisbee


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was keep. --Ezeu 04:05, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Flutter Frisbee, Guts frisbee, and Flutterguts
This is some sort of variation on Frisbee. A google search revealed only 31 hits, most of which were from sites that mirror our content in one way or another. I don't see any reliable sources or anything that establishes notability. --Hetar 17:13, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete Their website seems to claim greater fame, but that doesn't count. If the claims about this sport are true, then it should at least have been published in alocal newspaper (and given how long it has been going, possibly a national one).  I will change my vote to keep, if evidence (like newspaper reports) is provided of greater notability (and someone lets me know).  Captainj 17:29, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep (Guts Frisbee, no comment on another 2). Actually, I think these links demonstrate some notability (for Guts Frisbee)      even if it is more local (if we accept high schools then we should probably accept Guts Frisbee.  Captainj 17:36, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep I'm an Ultimate player and I'm the one that merged all three articles into one about a month ago. Someone commented on the talk page saying that it was an incorrect merge and that Flutterguts and Guts frisbee were different games. I told them I had no experience with the games and they could recreate the articles if they wished. I guess they did. This is a mess and needs to be sorted out and sourced. But for now, I'm voting keep. --Liface 18:22, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep I got 112 searching for flutterguts with the same parameters. The article merger as it was done incorrectly attempted to reconcile the games into one. When I undid it, acting upon Liface's suggestion, I didn't look up whether it was more well known as flutter frisbee or flutterguts, which was my error. The current [Flutter_Frisbee] article should probably either be moved as-is to [Flutterguts] and redirected, or become a subsection of [Guts_frisbee]. [Guts_frisbee], however, should not be a candidate for deletion under this proposal, even if flutterguts is eventually deleted. I suggest we move/merge flutter frisbee for now, look at sourcing it, and reconsider deleting it at a later date (preferrably a pre-determined timeframe) --Superflyguy 0:23, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

OK here... move Guts Frisbee to Team Guts, a more established name for the game discussed in the article; delete Flutterguts as a failed attempt at disambiguation; merge Flutter Frisbee into Team Guts under a subheading of "Variants of Team Guts". What does the Wham-O site say about these? That's how I learned about Team Guts decades ago: literature from Wham-O. B.Wind 03:32, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

I have never heard the name Team Guts, and can find no reference to that name on the World Flying Disk Federation website, or any other for that matter. It also fails to accurately describe it, as the WFDF rules for guts allow 1-5 players per side. It would be better to alter the article to make note of the variable number of players than to create separate articles just to make a distinction based on the number of players. Also, Wham-O currently has no information on guts that I could find, and it's publications are not as authorative as the WFDF. --Superflyguy 23:21, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to go ahead and fix the number of players in the Guts Frisbee article, then move Flutter Frisbee to Flutterguts and mark it as a possible merge to a subsection of Guts Frisbee, and we'll go frum there.--Superflyguy 1:46, 5 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete "the sport was started by the Healy brothers in Eagle Harbor, Michigan" - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 01:48, 7 June 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.