Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Flyboy Geesus (musician)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. While there is a sense that he might be known in his home country, there was limited discussion about how he meets WP:NMUSIC by those advocating keep and no sources presented to show how he would meet WP:GNG. As such the consensus, as appropriately weighted by policies and guidelines, is to delete. Barkeep49 (talk) 21:29, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Flyboy Geesus (musician)

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Autobiographical article on a non notable musician who lacks in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources independent of them & doesn’t satisfy any criterion from WP:SINGER. A careful analysis of all the sources used in the article shows they are either mere announcements, user generated sources, self published sources and sponsored posts. All awards he has been nominated for are all non notable. Lastly, some of the sources used aren’t even about the article’s subject. Celestina007 (talk) 20:14, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Celestina007 (talk) 20:14, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Africa-related deletion discussions. Celestina007 (talk) 20:14, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Celestina007 (talk) 20:14, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ghana-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 21:34, 16 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete does not meet our inclusion criteria for musicians.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:54, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep all sources to the article are credible from reliable media houses like Ghanaweb, Pulse Ghana and BellaNaija, they are not paid publications. Also 4syte Music Video Award is a very known award ceremony in Ghana (you can make your checks). In addition, the article is the other half of popular music group called Phootprintz and the other half has an article on Wikipedia as Mista Shaw Geezygee (talk) 19:18, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment — The editor above is the creator of this non autobiographical article. Celestina007 (talk) 19:26, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 04:07, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - lacks significant coverage, has no notable accolades, is not a pioneer in their field nor have they released any songs or albums that would be considered notable Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:09, 23 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment - Their song ‘Jackie Appiah’ was a nationwide hit. Check details on his other half Mista Shaw 154.160.26.115 (talk) 08:27, 24 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep. Enough significant coverage from the secondary sources on the article to meet WP:GNG. Editors should try link other pages to this article as it is an orphan. https://edwardbetts.com/find_link/ . CAVETOWNFAN (talk) 13:59, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment —@, please do provide the secondary sources you claim are present that proves the subject of our discussion is notable. Celestina007 (talk) 19:56, 29 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment - There is also a draft at Draft:Flyboy Geesus. If this article is kept, the draft can be merged and then redirected.  If this article is deleted, the draft can be kept.  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:15, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - Does not satisfy any of the musical notability criteria. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:48, 30 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Concern - How can one part of a music duo in the person of Mista Shaw who has been inactive for years eligible for a Wikipedia article but put the active Flyboy Geesus up for deletion?? What am I missing?? Geezygee (talk) 16:10, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - can't find enough in-depth coverage from independent reliable sources to pass WP:GNG, and doesn't meet WP:MUSICBIO.  Onel 5969  TT me 14:38, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment - This entity is also called Geesus or Krystal or Krystal Geesus. This will help in looking out for secondary sources. Thanks 154.160.23.127 (talk) 17:31, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Note that I relisted this page but someone removed my relist, because apparently they feel I made mistakes and I am not ready to do relists, although the deadline had cleary passed, so I am voting instead. This person meets WP:MUSICBIO. The article refers to airplay, so it meets criterion #11, the collaboration with BET award winner may meet criterion #6. The article has no data whether this person has had Top 100 in their countries chart, but it is very possible and needs further research. He has also had some awards which may be insignificant, but it appears at least one is some kind of TV award and may mean that he meets criterion #12 as well. The fact that this person has 23 citations also shows significant coverage. Although they are mostly local to Ghana, it shows that he is a significant musician in his own country.Expertwikiguy (talk) 04:08, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment — @, having a large number of sources used in an article doesn’t confer notability, it is the quality of the sources used and not the quantity. In fact REFBOMBING with unreliable sources shows non notability. Furthermore, using just WP:THREE good sources which aren’t self published, user generated, or paid for are better than 23 questionable sources. I really am worried as to your inadequate knowledge of WP:GNG & WP:RS, let alone have you allowed to perform NAC's when you are clearly having trouble understanding fundamentals such as WP:GNG.  Celestina007 (talk) 17:50, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Did you read the rest of what I said? its not just having a large number of news. Also keep in mind when you evaluate celebrities' of other countries, those websites are likely to look low quality per US standards, but might be credible and popular in their own countries. the bottom line here is that you need to make a judgment on the overall factors and if they meet WP:MUSICBIO then not meeting significant coverage is not as important. Expertwikiguy (talk) 18:41, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment — @, this is possibly my last response to you, but yes, I read your argument or at least your attempt at one, which shows a glaring inadequacy in comprehension of policy. WP:RS has the same standard irrespective of geographical location, non reliable sources are just that, unreliable. Btw I’m a Nigerian, living in Nigeria. Furthermore your assertion that the subject of the article meets any criterion from WP:MUSICBIO is outrightly wrong. Lest I forget, you trying to dismiss WP:SIGCOV shows you need to focus more on studying our policies and guidelines pertaining to notability than participating in AFD's and NAC'S which you are horrible at & are on the verge of being banned for'' Celestina007 (talk) 16:14, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I am not dismissing WP:SIGCOV. According to WP:MUSICBIO if they meet at least one criteria then the page/person may qualify. If they meet 2 or 3 criteria then obviously it is more than enough. I have also seen past decisions on AFD, when it was the case that someone met WP:MUSICBIO, not having as much significant coverage is less of a factor. i.e take someone who has a Top 10 Billboard hit. Even if they have little news, this page should be kept, according to WP:MUSICBIO. Check an example of past AFD decision -HERE-, where he had little news at the time, yet it was kept due to meeting WP:MUSICBIO, with a Top 10 hit in a European country. I will no longer respond to your baseless accusations. You don't need to attack every single person voting against how you feel. Just place your vote and move on. Expertwikiguy (talk) 20:46, 10 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep - I once created an article for this entity and it was deleted for not being notable. This musician is very known in Ghana, we can do background checks. Thanks Ajpoundz (talk) 14:21, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
 * @, To which I’d say fame, popularity, & being “known” isn’t one and the same as being notable. What confers notability is satisfying WP:GNG or the required SNG. Celestina007 (talk) 18:01, 9 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete – Doesn't meet any of the 12 notability criteria of WP:MUSICBIO. The best of sources are terse web release announcements, that verge on self-published (such content is often self-submitted for publishing); no mention of major tours that I can see; it doesn't appear that the rewards are a 'major music award'; there is a chance he is one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style, but that has not been established here or in any of the articles of the styles he is performing in; etc. The keep !votes aren't commenting on the notability criteria application in a compelling way. — Alalch Emis (talk) 17:07, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment — The keep !voters are yet to produce any three single reliable source that substantiates the notability of the article’s subject. The article it self is an autobiography created to promote themselves & sources used in it do not portray nor demonstrates notability. They are gossip blogs, self published, Paid for or unreliable (having no editorial oversight or reputation for fact checking). A portion of one of the keep !voters @ reads . Which just shows a flawed knowledge of WP:GNG. Celestina007 (talk) 15:54, 10 February 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.