Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Flyover country (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Gee hammer, I didn't notice Eluchil404 attaching WP:NPASR to his last close but he did suggest that a merge discussion could take place on the article's talk page and 4 days is not enough time for that to happen. Let's wait a month or 2 before beating this horse again. Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:49, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Flyover country
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Last AFD closed as no consensus. Only one "keep" in the last AFD addressed the issue of lack of sourcing. This still seems like a dicdef and I can't find anything to expand it. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 20:10, 29 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - well, it is basically a dictionary definition, and somewhat pejorative at that. The article remains without any sources despite the earlier AfD. Google, bless it, turns up a huge number of sources: these are confounded by many factors, not least that F.C. can also mean "area rich in elevated roadways". The term IS used in reputable places but just as a chatty label for "rural areas of the US", so arguably there is no "substantial" content. Given that there's nothing more to the term than that, it's hard to know what to say - the phrase is used as so defined; but WP is NOTDICT; ergo, delete. Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:22, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 00:47, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
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 * Delete - After searches, not finding coverage in reliable sources for this term/expression. Northamerica1000(talk) 02:03, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. I notice that the closing admin of last week's AfD suggested, "A merge may be reasonable... but further discussion should probably take place on the article talk page." I agree that such a discussion might be worthwhile, especially if it could reach consensus where the last AfD did not. That said, I am not advocating merging and have no target in mind. Cnilep (talk) 07:21, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - the term is widely used but there's not a lot to say about it. We don't need to have an entry for every pejorative term for every part of the world, and unless there's something particularly interesting about the origins, use, etc, of the term, it doesn't belong on Wikipedia.  I was wondering about a redirect, but no idea what it could redirect to - is there an article on attitudes to/prejudice against middle America? --Colapeninsula (talk) 11:52, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - As a topic, it is covered in detail with this entry in the Encyclopedia of the Great Plains which shows the topic is appropriate for inclusion in an encyclopedia. -- Whpq (talk) 16:48, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
 * With all due respect, the EGP mentions show nothing of the kind. The EGP does not discuss the term "Flyover country" other than to agree with the discussion above that the term is (mildly) pejorative, and just one among several similar terms which it mentions - Great American Desert, Buffalo commons. The EGP thus actually shows that "Flyover country" is a non-notable term - one of several not specially good descriptions for a region. That there can be a book on the Great Plains is one thing; that it's "about" FC as such would be quite another, if it were true, which it isn't. Chiswick Chap (talk) 17:04, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
 * And I would not be adverse with a merge to Great Plains, as noted in the previous AFD, but instead of a merge discussion, wham bam, we are back at AFD. -- Whpq (talk) 17:21, 1 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment I don't think this nomination has allowed "a reasonable amount of time to pass" as per WP:DELAFD before renomination. I have no opinion on the article itself, but I feel that this renomination (and therefore this discussion) is premature, and that this should therefore be closed quickly. - Jorgath (talk) 19:34, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: as per my changed vote in the last AfD Stuartyeates (talk) 21:24, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to Great Plains as a synonym, per the excellent source found by Whpq. Stuartyeates (talk) 21:28, 21 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge and redirect: Now that I've thought about this, merging into the Great Plains article is appropriate. But I think that if it's done that way, it should be done as a new section that lists alternate terms used to describe the Great Plains region. - Jorgath (talk) 22:37, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, I can go along with that. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:07, 5 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Disagree strongly with merge and redirect. Flyover country and Great Plains are two entirely different things. The Great Plains are a geographic feature of North America, whereas flyover country is a slightly disparaging linguistic term, indicating an attitude on the part of the speaker. Also, as a descriptive term, flyover country would include states like Kentucky, Missouri, Utah, and Nevada, which are not located within the Great Plains region. •••Life of Riley (T–C) 00:34, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Disagree is not valid outcome of an AfD. Do you mean Keep? If so, do you have suggestions of how to overcome the current article's limitations? Stuartyeates (talk) 08:17, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Neutral on keep or delete, but strongly oppose redirect. •••Life of Riley (T–C) 15:48, 5 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:NOTADICT. Niteshift36 (talk) 20:15, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.