Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fmask


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to fstab. –MuZemike 20:54, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Fmask

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This page probably fits into a What Wiki Is Not category, but I can't make heads or tails of it. That said, I'm pretty sure not every computer command is notable. D O N D E groovily  Talk to me  02:28, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * There is. It's WP:NOTMANUAL.  THis doesn't reproduce the man page, but it's still treating it as tech documentation.  Delete. -- Dennis The Tiger   (Rawr and stuff) 02:57, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 *  Delete Transwiki and soft redirect per MER-C. It's WP:NOTMANUAL. Unambiguous violation of this policy. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 03:01, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * If for whatever reason transwiki PLUS soft redirect is not an option, or someone convinces me that in practice it is onerous, then KEEP. Johnny Squeaky has made me think again, and I think that Unix is a special case. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 12:51, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * KEEP. If we're going to delete all articles about Unix commands, there are a *LOT* more where this came from. passwd, Tail (Unix), this list goes on and on. All or nothing, folks. This isn't the only Unix command listed / discussed at Wikipedia. =//= Johnny Squeaky 06:23, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Sheesh, not the "Other stuff exists" argument again. (See WP:OTHERSTUFF D O N D E groovily   Talk to me  11:28, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Not to mention that All or Nothing is blatantly wrong. It's not all or nothing. We can keep one and delete the other. This discussion is about fmask, not about trillions of other pages. D O N D E groovily   Talk to me  13:14, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Transwiki to Wikibooks. Clearly not material for Wikipedia, but may find a home at Guide to Unix. MER-C 12:11, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fmask has a place in any Unix 'How To' manual, which Wikipedia is Not. The underlying question is what could make any Unix command notable for WP purposes, and the answer must be "the same as for any other subject", i.e. if it's discussed in reliable independent sources, which I guess for this purpose excludes Unix reference manuals, as they prove existence but not notability. So, Unix commands that lots of magazines talk about should be kept. Does that save Fmask, I wonder? Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:46, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 16:09, 13 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Redirect to umask, per WP:N and WP:NOTMANUAL, and because the content could easily be handled with one sentence in the target article. The target could probably use better references but should easily pass WP:N. – Pnm (talk) 16:57, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Interesting. Can you explain what it is about umask that means it passes WP:N when Fmask does not? That would clarify the discussion greatly. Thanks. Chiswick Chap (talk) 17:06, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * "umask" is the common name for "file mode creation mask," which determines the permissions applied to newly created files. It's a fundamental aspect of Unix-like filesystem permissions, important both historically and technically. The command is built in to every Unix shell. There's a function in nearly every scripting language and many other programming languages. Samba has related configuration directives. NeXTSTEP had a preferences panel which let the user configure it.
 * Given that I think there exist sources which would address it from an historical or technical perspective and obviously satisfy WP:N. I couldn't find them just now, but I'm guessing others would be able to. I did find a lot of 2–3-paragraph segments in operating system, programming language, and user customization guides, and there's a chance they'd be sufficient to satisfy WP:SIGCOV. – Pnm (talk) 18:16, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Redirect per Pnm. My first thought also. 'fmask' is an obscure variant of the venerable 'umask'; the latter has been around since 1983 and probably earlier. Regards, RJH (talk) 22:31, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * People, I told you where this should be merged and redirected . This is not a Unix command.  Editors who say that it is have not even read the article at hand, let alone researched and understood the subject.  This is one option to a Unix command.  The actual Unix command to which this is but one of the options is named the same as the article that I pointed to in December 2008, which is about the operation that the command enacts.  Readers are served by the different variations upon that operation controlled by the command's options being discussed in the context of the overall operation, and are also served by a prophylactic redirect.  Deletion isn't needed here at any point.  What is rather needed are editors who pay attention to merger and redirect suggestions before calling for administrators to use the deletion tool.  All of you who are calling for an administrator to use the deletion tool, including the nominator, could have just fixed this article with a merge and redirect, as suggested all this time, yourselves &mdash; You all clearly have the edit tool. &mdash; in fewer edits than this discussion has so far taken.  Uncle G (talk) 19:15, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Ha, you're right. I read the lead sentence and barely skimmed the rest. Not sure why you're lecturing us about not reading your banner more carefully, since you could as easily have used the edit button yourself. Guess I don't see there's much to merge, but a better target is fstab. – Pnm (talk) 19:43, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Redirect to fstab per WP:N and WP:NOTMANUAL. This is an individual option for the mount command and a configuration directive for fstab. (umask is definitely the wrong target, my bad.) 100% of the content belongs in an instruction manual, so a merge isn't really needed, just fixing the applicable sentence at Fstab. – Pnm (talk) 19:43, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Redirect to out of wiki or to fstab. No need for a full article on a sub-configuration of a command. Hasteur (talk) 16:26, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.