Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/FoodBeeper


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Despite several weak keeps, consensus is that the sourcing, English French, Arabic or otherwise, does not meet NCORP. If someone wants to work on this in draft space to see if sourcing can be further IDed, happy to provide. Star  Mississippi  16:33, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

FoodBeeper

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Food delivery app company doesn't seem to meet WP:NCORP- coverage is largely WP:ROUTINE local news articles about its launch. MrsSnoozyTurtle 08:08, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Food and drink, Companies,  and Algeria. –– FormalDude   talk  08:58, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Business, Internet, Transportation and Websites.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 08:58, 31 March 2022 (UTC)


 * I wonder if the major problem here is the sources aren't in English? because I've read the guidelines you're referring to and still think the topic is notable and doesn't deserve deletion. ~ Rymknows23 (talk) 16:19, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello Rymknows23. It isn't due to the language of the sources, I have viewed translations of them. PS this edit of yours could be interpreted as WP:CANVASSING, which is not allowed. Regards MrsSnoozyTurtle 21:23, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello User:MrsSnoozyTurtle, I contest the deletion because I think both sources and topic are notable and make a wiki article. The "local news articles" are Algerian newspapers' articles proving the service notable in the country. According to my research, no 'Times' or 'Le Monde' magazine will cover the service simply because it's not international. About the Canvassing thing, how do you suggest I ask people to join the discussion, since I'm open to other opinions and editing suggestions. Regards, ~ Rymknows23 (talk) 08:58, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Notified: User talk:David notMD, User talk:Hoary. Reason: Participated in editing and approving the article. Rymknows23 (talk) 10:28, 5 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment I'm still making up my mind, but veering towards a weak keep. The Seybouse times article appears to be contributing to notability (the Djazairess one doesn't). Looking at the sourcing generally, it's the usual problem: we outside Algeria will struggle to know whether the sources are reliable newspapers or the sort of outfit that publishes sponsored content dressed up as journalist-written. It needs someone aware of the Algerian scene to assess this, not a bunch of assorted AfD editors who don't know what they're writing about (in which group I include myself). Evaluating sources requires more than just the ability to read French (or Arabic). For what it's worth, I don't consider 's teahouse post as canvassing as, although they're open about their situation as the article's creator, they have not chosen a biased venue, or worded the post in a way that encourages keepers versus deleters; they have instead said they'd like a fair debate, which is surely what we all want. Elemimele (talk) 14:51, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Agree. May violate letter of the law but as Canvassing goes, it's a very weak one and understandable mistake. And lead to my source review, which I find all but one lacking.Slywriter (talk) 15:05, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 01:43, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Only Seybouse is a potentially useable source. The rest are reprints of press releases with no journalist byline. Fails WP:NCORP Slywriter (talk) 15:03, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:NCORP. Theroadislong (talk) 16:37, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. The Seybouse article is definitely a good source, and the Akhbardzair article (going by the really clunky Google translation) seems to be a real article and not a press release. As I don't know Arabic, I don't know if the wording is due to Google's inability to translate well or because things are worded differently in Arabic than in English. It seems to me, though, to be reasonably acceptable as a reliable source, which would barely give FoodBeeper enough to qualify for WP:NCORP. None of the other sources in the article (as well as the three news articles I could find through my own searching) seemed acceptable for establishing notability. ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 23:52, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Comment Thank you all for participating. I see you all agree on the notability of Seybouse Times article. In this sense, I can name two other sources I think are notable. Le Midi libre is a well established newspaper in Algeria, but as Slywriter mentioned, there are no journalist byline. However, what I noticed is there are no bylines whatsoever on the other articles in the page 12 where FoodBeeper is covered, nor on the following pages too. I also think that the last source I cited, Akhbar Dzair or  اخبار دزاير, which translates  "Algeria News" is notable and reliable. The piece of news, I believe, is not a press release, since, according to my research, no other newspaper covered it in that way. Rymknows23 (talk) 10:07, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete This is a company/organization therefore NCORP guidelines apply. WP:NCORP requires multiple sources (at least two) of deep or significant coverage with in-depth information *on the company* and (this bit is important!) containing "Independent Content". "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. Mentions-in-passing are not "in-depth". None of the references in the article meet the criteria - the Seybouse article talks about the app and describes the delivery service, there is nothing in-depth about the company to meet CORPDEPTH - and I can't find any other references that meets our notability criteria, topic fails WP:NCORP.  HighKing++ 20:35, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: My feeling is that there is an English Wikipedia bias against corporations in small countries which have a corresponding small media presence. I believe the company is notable in Algeria. David notMD (talk) 04:23, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello David. As far as I can tell, the company doesn't have articles on the French or Arabic wikis. Regards, MrsSnoozyTurtle 07:40, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Something for to consider! David notMD (talk) 12:47, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Indeed. I think this also brings into question the claim that the topic is struggling to prove notability because of a bias in English Wikipedia. Regards, MrsSnoozyTurtle 00:10, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Hello MrsSnoozyTurtle David notMD, Thank you for your remarks. I started writing the article with the vision of allowing some representation for the local businesses here on wikipedia. Another thing is, I prefer to write in English so it didn't really occur to me to write in Arabic or French. However, since I'm a bit active now on the French wiki, I might consider writing an article there. Regards, Rymknows23 (talk) 11:04, 10 April 2022 (UTC)


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