Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Food insecurity in the Central Valley (California)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) — Yashtalk stalk 06:21, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Food insecurity in the Central Valley (California)

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Not notable, this class has already created a page Food Justice - irrelevant information on demographics and otherwise very similar content to the other article. Seraphim System ( talk ) 05:43, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2017 April 14.  —cyberbot I   Talk to my owner :Online 05:56, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. Way too specific a region for an article. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:00, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi Clarityfiend, I appreciate your input and I originally thought the same thing before writing this article, however we ultimately decided to create an independent article due to the reasoning user doncram provided below. The food security of the Central Valley is more unique than other regions due to the fact that it is a huge agricultural producer yet much of the population is food insecure, and the Valley also has issues of immigration and labor rights/wage problems. I hope you consider this, thank you! --Bumblebee024 (talk) 19:47, 16 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete The general topic is notable (Food security), there is no statement or evidence that its impact on this specific region is exceptional or notable. – Train2104 (t • c) 15:24, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi there, thanks for taking a look at our article and providing input. As stated below and cited by multiple research papers, the general topic is actually very notable in this particular region due to how the Central Valley is a prominent agriculture hub but much of the population working to keep that hub functioning cannot afford or access food, especially healthy food. User doncram provides a very helpful explanation below of why we decided to make this article independent, and I hope you decide to reconsider. Thank you! --Bumblebee024 (talk) 19:47, 16 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep. It is a notable paradox that the Central Valley, which is one of the U.S.'s most prominent food-producing regions (almost all American grocery stores are supplied partly from it), is also an area of hunger.  The National Public Radio story "Central Valley Disconnect: Rich Land, Poor Nutrition" is one source that expresses that.  It is in fact exceptional;  perhaps the irony could/should be expressed more clearly in the lede.  This is where John Steinbeck's The Grapes of Wrath's starving Joad family migrated to, from dust-bowl Oklahoma, only to find gross "food insecurity" here, too, leading to the classic's epic final scene.  Frankly the article ought to refer to the Grapes of Wrath, which most editors will know about, while many editors will not otherwise make the connection that this area is in fact famous for its food insecurity.  However, as it is written now already the topic meets wp:GNG, with multiple reliable sources focused on this specific situation.  The existence of this article is not presaging that articles about food insecurity in every other same-area region of the U.S. will be started.  Other areas do not have the food production, and they do not have the vulnerable immigrant / migrant population which derives from the region's historical employment of large seasonal agricultural labor. -- do  ncr  am  23:26, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment I will add a see also section and link to Grapes of Wrath. After reading your explanation, I am more convinced the topic is notable, but I don't think that is made clear from the content of the article. For example, the demographics section and primary source census statistics should be better integrated into the topic. Simply citing population and poverty statistics without sourcing any discussion of how those statistics are relevant explicitly in on-topic secondary sources is borderline WP:OR. There also seem to be some possible WP:SYNTH issues.
 * For example the statement "For example, one of the major health implications is obesity. This is pertinent to the Central Valley because a positive correlation between obesity and corner store access as been observed by researchers." - I searched the source for Central Valley and California and neither is mentioned in the source. I don't know what other editors will say, but to me this seems like a clear WP:SYNTH violation. I think the instructor needs to make the WP:OR and WP:SYNTH requirements clear to the students, possibly with guidance from WikiEdu, because this is not an isolated example. Seraphim System  ( talk ) 00:07, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing this out, we will take a look at that specific part, and we are all trying our best to pull this article together as quickly as possible. All your comments are greatly appreciated since the editors of this article are new to Wikipedia, but we are really working to make this article quality, but of course that does not happen overnight or in any short amount of time in general. So we hope that you will bear with us as we work to make this a good article. Thank you! --Bumblebee024 (talk) 19:47, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:15, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:15, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 01:35, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep I am the original nominator but after above discussion, I think the topic is notable per User talk:Doncram and the problems with WP:OR would be more properly handled through the editing process. Seraphim System  ( talk ) 21:52, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

 References
 * Keep – The article needs work, but it is a notable topic. See source examples below. Additional sources are available. North America1000 03:44, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
 * NPR for Central California
 * Turlock Journal
 * KQED News
 * NCBI
 * Fresno State University
 * PRI
 * NPR - Oregon Public Broadcasting
 * The Faseb Journal
 * California Institute for Rural Studies
 * Thank you very much for the resources! Ra635 (talk) 01:52, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the resources ^ I made sure to add some of the info about it into my section H.tennis (talk) 05:54, 24 April 2017 (UTC)


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