Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Football at the 1896 Summer Olympics (unofficial)


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The result was Delete. Tikiwont (talk) 10:56, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Football at the 1896 Summer Olympics (unofficial)

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Contested PROD. Article about an unofficial football tournament apparently held during the 1986 Summer Olympics. Hardly verifiable, not mentioned in the official Olympic Games report, completely unsourced, does not satisfy both WP:RELY and WP:N. Angelo (talk) 11:07, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


 * This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. Angelo (talk) 11:24, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete currently, neither source fulfils RS. I'd be happy to change my mind if anyone could find an RS for this. --Dweller (talk) 11:27, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, fails WP:V. Lankiveil (talk) 11:28, 11 January 2008 (UTC).
 * Delete as per nominator. - fchd (talk) 11:33, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  11:49, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete some Olympians playing soccer matches between events in 1896 isn't notable. Gwernol 12:29, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep a valid article, and very notable as it was probably one of the first international football tournaments. As such it is mentionable alongside articles such as the Sir Thomas Lipton Trophy and the Torneo Internazionale Stampa Sportiva. At least one web source - RSSSF - is generally considered reliable by WikiProject Football members and is regularly used as a reference. I have deleted the other (which looked to be a copyvio) and, having found that David Goldblatt's The Ball Is Round - a comprehensive and reliable history of the global game according to the reviews - records it on page 243, added that in. That makes two reliable sources in my view. Qwghlm (talk) 15:27, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Where abouts on RSSSF? Their Olympics page, here says only "1896   no Olympic football tournament" and commences listings with the demonstration events of 1900. - fchd (talk) 17:00, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Here - as referenced in the article. Qwghlm (talk) 09:13, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per comment on the talk page. Bill Mallon is a reputable Olympic historian, and the quote supplied by User:Topcardi trumps the other sources, in my opinion.  (Football is sometimes listed as having been contested in 1896 as an exhibition or demonstration sport, although no such designation existed at the time. Supposedly a match between a Greek club and a Danish club took place. No such 1896 source supports this and we think this is an error which has been perpetrated in multiple texts. No such match occurred.)  — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 16:59, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Even with the source (p243 of The Ball is Round) the article itself shows that this was a couple of games that happened to be played while the Olympics were going on, I'm assuming on the grounds. A team from Athens played a team from Izmir, and it played a team that is listed as being from somewhere in Denmark.  Now if it had been promoted as a nation against nation, Greece v. Ottomans pay-per-view spectacular, that might have made it a "demonstration sport".  It looks like this just happened to be going on.   It's no more of an unofficial Olympic competition than if some of the athletes played a game of croquet during their visit. Mandsford (talk) 18:44, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The unofficial tournament is mentioned in the article on Football at the Summer Olympics - to which I have added Goldblatt's book as a reference, and also added the citation from Mallon to show that it is unclear whether in fact the tournament ever took place. I now think that everything that needs to be said about this unofficial tournament which may or may not have existed is mentioned there, which means that I would go for a delete for this separate article. Robotforaday (talk) 16:46, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment FIFA and the British Olympic Association also mention attempts at Olympic football in 1896. I've seen mention elsewhere that an 1896 Olympic football tournament was scheduled but cancelled due to lack of participants, for example here. Unsure how to call this, having the information in Football at the Summer Olympics may be the way to go. Oldelpaso (talk) 10:03, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


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