Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Football revolution


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The result was merge to Women's football in Iran.  Sandstein  10:31, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Football revolution

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I think the article is both WP:OR and WP:CFORK and as far as I have searched, the term 'football revolution' does not refer to Iran/is not widely used. The content however, can be merged with Football in Iran and Women's rights in Iran. Pahlevun (talk) 18:09, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
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 * Keep There are a lot of references about the event and subsequent interpretations. I've added references to the article. There are a few references I don't have access to. These include WSJ 2015 and the Jadavpur Journal of International Relations. The article could use more clean-up so that the concept is clearer, but I'm not going to have time to do it right now. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 00:46, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge into one of the two articles discussed below. I'd be happy to do the work if that's the outcome here. I think there's plenty of "something" there, but it's not mainstream, as points out. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:27, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Surely there are tons of sources discussing women and football in Iran and as someone who is following the news closely on the subject, I can even tell you about the recent events. But the question is, are any of these discussing references the concept "football revolution" or not. This term is not used in Iran, I can tell you that. And what I see here is a coatrack article that instead of discussing about "football revolution", its definition, history, framework etc. is a set of facts about women and football in Iran. My problem is that there are no sources supporting the lead, which says:

"The football revolution (or soccer revolution) refers to the events in Iran which began 1997 in the context of football in that country. The idea of a "football revolution" is that the game itself can be used as a part of the secularization of Iran and frame women's rights movements in the country."

–Pahlevun (talk) 11:34, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I'd support incorporating the information into Women's rights in Iran or Football in Iran. I did find one article that said it was a term used in Iran and there is a (I think) Iranian writer, Nafisi, but on reconsideration it does seem like it's more of a Western framing of the issue. I respect your opinion for having actual on the ground information. I appreciate you responding to me and I'm going to change my !vote to a merge. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:25, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Pahlevun (talk) 18:10, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment - I think that the information in the article is certainty well covered and definitely notable and passes WP:GNG. The real issue though is not so much the content but rather the title, which appears to be a violation WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. Similar to what the nominator said I can find no indication of the title "Football revolution" being regularly and reliably used in most of the sources. Perhaps a title change or a merge to an article such as Football in Iran and/or Women's rights in Iran would be more appropriate. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 01:54, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge - to Football in Iran and/or Women's rights in Iran, perhaps even its own article (Women's sport in Iran?). Definitely gets lots of coverage as a subject but not seeing widespread / any use of the term "football revolution" in this context, so no redirect. Fenix down (talk) 11:35, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep, but rename and expand Just for kicks I searched: futbol revolucion, and turned up articles on sundry proposed or anticipated innovations in the sport. You get the same range of material if you search Football revolution term in English.  This phrase seems less of a a WP:NEO than a sort of headline-speak.  Certainly it describes a real and significant social/political phenomenon.  After looking at both proposed targets, I think Women's rights in Iran would be the most appropriate merge target.  However, I think it would be a better idea to KEEP this, rename it to something like Women and Sports in Iran, and expand it with some of the material now located at Women's rights in Iran.  Because 1.) Women's Rights in Iran is getting sort of unwieldy.  2.) This topic is about women's role in Iranian society, not confined to political rights, and 3.) Sources in the article strongly support the idea that women's growing freedom to participate in sports in public is an important social and political phenomenon in Iran.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:59, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge or Keep per megalibrarygirl.  Montanabw (talk) 19:12, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge as above. I also like FD's idea of renaming the article and expanding the scope. GiantSnowman 15:09, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Clearly notable from the citations in the article. The title of the article is an editing issue, not a deletion issue. Smartyllama (talk) 19:47, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Rename -- Perhaps to Iranian revolution in women's football or merge to Women's football in Iran (which exists). There is no need to look for a wider merge target either in women's rights or women's sport.  Peterkingiron (talk) 13:55, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  J 947(c) (m) 19:35, 18 September 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Bobherry Userspace  Talk to me!   Stuff I have done  20:52, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom rationale and subsequent discussion, but Women's football in Iran would be a better target than rather than the nominator's suggested targets Football in Iran, with maybe a brief overview in Women's rights in Iran Club Oranje T 11:49, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge into Women's football in Iran per the above reasoning. Joseph<b style="color:#00FF00">2302</b> (talk) 12:49, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Concur with merge to Women's football in Iran.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:26, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge but to Football in Iran. This isn't about Women's Football in Iran, which would be women playing the sport. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:44, 27 September 2017 (UTC)


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