Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Footy tipping


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Australian rules football culture. Too many comments to relist per WP:RELIST. COnsensus is for the mateiral to be included elsewhere. This seems the obvious target from the discussion Fritzpoll (talk) 13:39, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Footy tipping

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This article does not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for notability. Sure, there are quite a few mentions of "footy tipping" but it's scarcely discussed in a non-trivial way. The fact that many people participate in online/office footy tipping does not make it notable enough to warrant a stand alone article. We don't have articles for e.g. NCAA brackets, NFL suicide pools, AFL last man standing contests etc. This article is of no encyclopedic value and it exists purely as a vehicle for spam. There's nothing in it that couldn't be summarised in one or two lines and added to Australian rules football culture. I would be happy to do this. Hazir (talk) 10:35, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete/Merge. Per nom, does not meet general noteabillity clause. Agree with nom to be merged with Australian rules football culture. GO PIES! -- Sk8er5000 (talk) 22:40, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions.
 * Keep If you look hard enough (try adding site:news.com.au or site:theage.com.au etc to your google searches) you find more than just trivial coverage, ie the sociology of tipping, the business of tipping and the politics of tipping. Some are promotional in nature, but I'm sure that someone, somewhere has done a PhD on tipping!  The-Pope (talk) 15:43, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The first article does discuss footy tipping in a non trivial way (while giving a few sites a plug along the way) but there's nothing substantive in it that couldn't be summarised neatly in Australian rules football culture. The latter two articles are specific to Tattersall/footytips.com.au and have little relevance to a general article about 'footy tipping'. Hazir (talk) 16:14, 22 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment, thanks, this nom reminded me to put in my NRL tips for this week! =)  Lankiveil (speak to me) 02:40, 23 April 2009 (UTC).
 * Keep - Unsourced at the moment but I doubt sources would be too hard to find. Definitely notable enough for a standalone article IMO. Querey merging with similar betting competitions? --Yeti Hunter (talk) 07:35, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * "Definitely" notable because you "doubt" it will be hard to find sources? This is not really helpful. What content is there that necessitates a stand alone article? Have you looked at Australian rules football culture? This is where the article could be easily merged. Hazir (talk) 13:10, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - Well it took me all of 30 seconds to find those three non-trivial sources. In response to your dismissing of the business side of footy tipping, I think it's what makes it notable... if it was just a pub/office type of thing, then it should be hidden away in a culture article.  Given it has become big business, with politicians using it as a key election platform  and businesses based on it being sold for hundreds of thousands of dollars, I think that's pretty notable.  The history and failure of Tipstar might be worth it's own article, but for now would fit nicely into a footy tipping article, but not really into a Aussie rules culture article.  Yes, the article needs a lot of work, yes it appears to be a target for some vandalism/spamming, but that isn't a valid reason for deleting. The-Pope (talk) 17:26, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The history of Tipstar has no place in a general article about footy tipping. It certainly does not fit 'nicely'. If we are to include this content, then what about Oztips, AFL.com.au tipping, NineMSN tipping, Realfooty tipping, Bigfooty, Lastmanstanding? I'm sure articles could be dug up about the trials and tribulations of many footy tipping enterprises. I maintain that there's no need for a stand alone enclyclopedic article about footy tipping. It's just a betting pool game that people like to play in Australia. Some do it in the office, some do it online, there's various sites, some are free, some are not. This is easily summarised in a few lines and added to Australian rules football culture, where it is not such a magnet for spam. Hazir (talk) 18:03, 23 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.