Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/For Lies I Sire


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. There are sources, even if they are mostly primary, but there is no reason to delete solely based on the quality of the sources (sources can be primary and still reliable, for example for details like tracklists or contributors to the album). The article is also not speculating on details not sources (like release date), so it is not WP:CRYSTAL and the keep votes argue correctly that future albums do not have to have all information already available to be kept.  So Why  22:51, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

For Lies I Sire

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Future album that is crystal balling. Cunard (talk) 07:34, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. The only problem is that we don't know the exact release date. But the most important criteria are met. We know the title of the album so it can be properly located and there's more than a name and tracklisting there which means it's more than simple crystalballery. =- Mgm|(talk) 09:42, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. I agree with past speaker (Mgm). It's enough information to verify that it's a future studio album by a wellknown band with all their past albums featured on Wikipedia. It's relatively soon to be released (within a year) and information about the tracks as well as a member's opinion on it is written into the article. I would say that's more than enough. References that include their official website is more than enough to show it's not a crystal ball. - Aki (talk) 12:19, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I have now added information on the anticipating metal scene which Backtable mentioned. I hope that's enough to realise that the album is more than another shitty thing on the market. - Aki (talk) 10:30, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, that's cool. Thank you. B T C 22:16, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Only sources are primary. Wait until there's more to say. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 15:49, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete If the release date (or lack of) was published in a secondary source, then I would have said keep, but this is just too thin. It can be recreated later when/if the album is released or someone publishes something useful to say about it.  This isn't about crystalball (which doesn't apply here), this is about the inability to verify through reliable sources, which is impossible at this time.    D ENNIS B ROWN  (T) (C) 18:31, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. I believe this article should be kept, because it has been proven to be an upcoming album by a band that is notable and has been notable for quite some time. The album For Lies I Sire is being much anticipated among the metal community. The release date is set for 2009, and that is all the information the public has about when this album will release. So if this page was to be deleted, it should not be because of the information supplied for the release date. However, this page could definitely use some additional sources. Another thing is this: the page is definitely not disorganized, cacophonous trash like what usually shows up in the speedy deletion bin. It sure isn't spam. B T C 23:33, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.