Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Forced Entries: The Downtown Diaries 1971–1973


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Forced Entries: The Downtown Diaries 1971–1973

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Tagged for notability since 2010. No sources. Fails WP:GNG. As an WP:ATD, a redirect to Jim Carroll would work. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:16, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
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Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. Notability (books) says: "A book is presumed notable if it verifiably meets, through reliable sources, at least one of the following criteria:The book has been the subject of two or more non-trivial published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself. This can include published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, other books, television documentaries, bestseller lists, and reviews. This excludes media re-prints of press releases, flap copy, or other publications where the author, its publisher, agent, or other self-interested parties advertise or speak about the book." Sources  Scanlon, Tom (1987-09-20). "Strong stomach required: Debauchery is revisited by Jim Carroll" (pages 1 and 2). Peninsula Times Tribune. Archived from the original (pages 1 and 2) on 2023-07-23. Retrieved 2023-07-23 – via Newspapers.com. The article notes: ""Forced Entries," with its short, terse chapters, is good reading, for the most part. Carroll's dialogue is stiff, however, and his insights are indeed at times "dubious" ("... one continues to inject the speed throughout the day for en- ergy, dubious insight, and social interaction"). Yet when Jim Carroll hits unselfconscious grooves, his writing has a beautiful rhythm, and a burning honesty."  The review notes: "Despite the maturing voice of Forced Entries, the two diaries remain similar in their quest for extreme sensations and their eagerness to shock the reader. One is aware almost throughout that the author is more intelligent than he appears and that he takes a certain pride in dissipating his gifts."  The review notes: "As with any diary, at times the author seems quite full of himself, and, as a consequence, full of something else. For the poet, “not dying young can be a dilemma,” he tells us. And he’s a frenetic name-dropper. For example, the section entitled “Hello, Dali” consists of nothing more than a chance encounter on 57th Street, where Salvador Dali commandeers his cab. But somehow Carroll has the slick slang to carry it off. He’s a collector of fancy words, and at one point he makes a note to himself to use the words serpentine and abattoir in his poetry. Sure enough, both appear inconspicuously later in the book." Delacorte, Peter (1987-07-12). "A Follow-Through Beyond The Hoop" (pages 1 and 2). San Francisco Examiner. Archived from the original (pages 1 and 2) on 2023-07-23. Retrieved 2023-07-23 – via Newspapers.com. The article notes: "And for the next 30 pages the book is incessantly boring, because Carroll is a fish out of water. In its meandering way, the book has been leading to this: the rite of purification, the great battle against the "small pink simian" that holds Carroll captive. But nothing happens. Carroll makes vapid observations about California. He gets a dog. He has teeth extracted. He makes his big attempt to kick drugs; little regard is paid to the major event. He returns to New York."  The article notes: "“Forced Entries: The Downtown Diaries 1971–1973” is now in bookstores, and Carroll has since moved back to New York, where he resides on the Upper East Side of Manhattan. The modern poet, songwriter and rock musician will read excerpts from “Forced Entries” and his last collection of poetry, “The Book of Nods,” at 9 p.m. Sunday at the Saigon Palace. ... “Forced Entries” follows Carroll through his rising stardom and presents intimate episodes in his life."</li> <li>Menn, Joseph (1987-07-09). "Jim Carroll, escape article. A writer comes back from the edge" (pages 1 and 2). The Boston Globe. Archived from the original (pages 1 and 2) on 2023-07-23. Retrieved 2023-07-23 – via Newspapers.com. The review notes: "But the new book, "Forced Entries: The Downtown Diaries 1971–1973". talks about those days and his mind-and-body escape to a temporary retreat in Northern California, where he kicked heroin and worked on his writing. The title is a pun on the difficulty of getting off hard drugs and continuing to write diary-like entries. ... His book is not a documentation of an era of ferment, as Penguin Books calls it. "Forced Entries" records Carroll's "obscure rite of passage" as he turned his knowledge of sophisticated, vacuous New York scene-making into personal, life-saving wisdom.""</li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Forced Entries: The Downtown Diaries 1971–1973 to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 05:46, 23 July 2023 (UTC) </li></ul>
 * Keep per sources by Cunard.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 23:42, 26 July 2023 (UTC)


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